[Politics] The Labour Government

Right Brain Ronnie · Jul 13, 2024

Zeberdi said:
Being harshly called to task for one’s political views is par for the course on internet forums I am afraid - people get very passionate about these things but you also jumped into this thread shooting from the hip too tbh so probably wound a few people up.

I don’t think there’s been any obvious discrimination towards you however - (people mock/correct people’s language and grammar all the time - NSC loves a pedant ). It may feel like you are being discriminated against but you just need to find a way to participate that works for you and if that’s not working for others, find a way of living with the criticism. Everyone has different approaches whether they are neurodivergent (as I am) or not.

Back on topic, I don’t think Starmer is ‘weak’ in the sense you suggest. The far left of the Party, ie Dianne Abbott, Clive Lewis MP, and the other Corbynites have been firmly reigned in under his leadership and I suspect Starmer will have no problem in withdrawing the Whip from any member who causes trouble from the backbenches (there is always a way). Whatever the left of the Party do, they will have little impact economic policy imo since they are not Cabinet members.

If there is a recognisable zeitgeist in British politics at the moment, it has been typified by the centre of the political spectrum shifting right. The Labour Party is more right wing than it has ever been in its history as was the last government under the Tories. The idea therefore that there is going to be an uprising of the far left is risible imo - Labour getting elected was just the pendulum resetting itself more towards the centre in the way that any shift to one extreme or another in British politics self-rights itself periodically as do the two mainstream parties with their own members.

I would also dispute Farage is ‘forward thinking’ in his manifesto pledges - his economic policy ideas are just a more right wing variation of pre-80s laissez-faire conservatism and his overriding ideology is egocentrism, the oldest ideology known to humanity.

Yes it is harsh, however people with a right of centre view point on here have posters show an unnecessary amount of aggression against them, if it was physical and on the street they would be banged up.
So basically your implying dyslexia can be discriminated about but all the other types of discrimination can't. It's not my problem it's their problem.
If I had stated I was of colour or was homosexual or trans etc, would it be okay to mock on these?

Which is it? let's all knock one another for there diversity or let's not knock anyone and take them for what they are?

Starmer looks wide eyed like a frightened rabbit, i can not remember a PM ever looking so out of their depth.

If he was a strong PM he could have said Biden has been a fantastic president, but I am not here to judge his mental capacity, I enjoyed my engagement with him. Instead he lied very easily, saying Biden moved at pace and across all the detail, it's clear Biden is not fit to make huge decisions. His arse was squeezed tight enough to undo a used jar of Marmite.

Polite notice, small bite size post to me or you won't get an answer, this was far to long.

rogersix said:
have you got any evidence to validate your opinions?

The main evidence is above:
Marmite soaked white Y fronts have been found in the Gents in Washington, if I can get hold of them you can taste them for confirmation if you like.

He changes his mind and direction like the wind, there will be plenty more flip flops to follow, he is weak and will go, within a year at best.

rogersix · Jul 13, 2024

Right Brain Ronnie said:
Yes it is harsh, however people with a right of centre view point on here have posters show an unnecessary amount of aggression against them, if it was physical and on the street they would be banged up.
So basically your implying dyslexia can be discriminated about but all the other types of discrimination can't. It's not my problem it's their problem.
If I had stated I was of colour or was homosexual or trans etc, would it be okay to mock on these?

Which is it? let's all knock one another for there diversity or let's not knock anyone and take them for what they are?

Starmer looks wide eyed like a frightened rabbit, i can not remember a PM ever looking so out of their depth.

If he was a strong PM he could have said Biden has been a fantastic president, but I am not here to judge his mental capacity, I enjoyed my engagement with him. Instead he lied very easily, saying Biden moved at pace and across all the detail, it's clear Biden is not fit to make huge decisions. His arse was squeezed tight enough to undo a used jar of Marmite.

Polite notice, small bite size post to me or you won't get an answer, this was far to long.

The main evidence is above:
Marmite soaked white Y fronts have been found in the Gents in Washington, if I can get hold of them you can taste them for confirmation if you like.
He changes his mind and direction like the wind, there will be plenty more flip flops to follow, he is weak and will go, within a year at best.

you've lost the plot

beorhthelm · Jul 13, 2024

Zeberdi said:
Apologies for the long post but I couldn’t let this go unaddressed, especially as it is an area I am quite informed about.

This isn’t about local people in Norfolk not wanting them due to NIMBYism as you seem (inadvertently?) to imply - scientists, environmentalists and politicians have also come out against this mega project..(the largest offshore windfarm installation in the world).

as there always is. every development goes through a wood, interferes with a rare newt habitat, or disturbs the flight of birds or bats. there's always a very good reason this thing cannot be built here, thats fine, i'm sure the arguments against the pylons are very good. just as they will be for teh onshore wind farms.

so we wont build them then. we'll have to continue with the existing infrastructure, the gas turbines connected to the existing grid. which itself once was opposed, went through woodland, interfered with rare newts.

or, we need government to cut through this crap, as it has in the past to build existing infrastucture. we cannot have it both ways, some places must be built on, some fields, woods and newt colonies lost, or live with decaying infrastructure and the consequences.

Sid and the Sharknados · Jul 13, 2024

beorhthelm said:
as there always is. every development goes through a wood, interferes with a rare newt habitat, or disturbs the flight of birds or bats. there's always a very good reason this thing cannot be built here, thats fine, i'm sure the arguments against the pylons are very good. just as they will be for teh onshore wind farms.

so we wont build them then. we'll have to continue with the existing infrastructure, the gas turbines connected to the existing grid. which itself once was opposed, went through woodland, interfered with rare newts.

or, we need government to cut through this crap, as it has in the past to build existing infrastucture. we cannot have it both ways, some places must be built on, some fields, woods and newt colonies lost, or live with decaying infrastructure and the consequences.

In my experience, ecologists, heritage bods and other environmental people are surprisingly constructive and open minded about development, if the people involved in that development actively engage in their concerns. And it's often remarkably easy to manage those issues if you do actively engage with them early on.

If a development or other project involves permanently trashing a habitat without actively mitigating that damage, then it's a shit development. That doesn't mean you can't build anything, it means incorporating sensible and reasonable measures as an intrinsic part of building things.

Zeberdi · Jul 13, 2024

beorhthelm said:
as there always is. every development goes through a wood, interferes with a rare newt habitat, or disturbs the flight of birds or bats. there's always a very good reason this thing cannot be built here, thats fine, i'm sure the arguments against the pylons are very good. just as they will be for teh onshore wind farms.

so we wont build them then. we'll have to continue with the existing infrastructure, the gas turbines connected to the existing grid. which itself once was opposed, went through woodland, interfered with rare newts.

or, we need government to cut through this crap, as it has in the past to build existing infrastucture. we cannot have it both ways, some places must be built on, some fields, woods and newt colonies lost, or live with decaying infrastructure and the consequences.

It’s all about balance - the whole Country needs to bear the cost of climate change mitigation not just one or two regions. This development is for an offshore windfarm which will be the largest in the world on a relatively narrow stretch of sea which is the key migration route for numerous species p, including large species of rare breeding birds as I mentioned above.

“Collision and electrocution by powerlines are considered to be a major cause of death for large-bodied bird species such cranes and raptors. Given that the number of powerlines is set to rise in the coming years, mitigation measures are urgently required to reduce the negative impact of powerlines on birds.”

Data Zone - BirdLife International

Where is everyone else’s commitment to use less fossil energy in their own lives? Where is the willingness to pay higher fuel costs to fund better technology that doesn’t rip up 200km of Countryside? Where is the willingness to travel less?
I can’t abide NIMBYism but I can’t abide people expecting everyone else but themselves to sort out the Climate change. problem. It’s all our problem, passing it onto other peoples’ shoulders to bear is unrealistic (it won’t acheive the targets) and unjust.

The technology is there for underground cables and very probably offshore grid connections (as Sunak supported) , it would cost more and that cost would likely to be past onto the consumer but it would be less than the cost of thousands knocked off the value of homes across the three counties and loss of prime arable land and the very considerable environmental impact of both installing and running overhead onshore powerlines..

The problem is Vattenfall - a Swedish energy company who put the development plans together - the Government (Tories) went for the cheapest contract without considering the alternative technology - Vattenfall can not afford to use underground cabling on the current winning bid so they are saying the technology isn’t feasible. It is, It is already being used in China.

See here

Home - Pylons East Anglia

National Grid’s ‘Pylon Lottery’interactive map…. it could be you!

pylonseastanglia.co.uk

If Labour ride rough shod over the scientific, business and political communities and ignore the voices of hundreds of thousand people, they will pay for that politically.

I have just fought really hard to get out a Tory MP from my constituency, I don’t want another one back in 5 years time.

Ps I have worked for environmental organisations for many years, one of whom provides the surveys for EIAs - and also provide Governments all over the Globe with policy driven data collection - pragmatism and a willingness to engage are key strategies in that environment as @Sid and the Sharknados says.

Thunder Bolt · Jul 13, 2024

rogersix said:
you've lost the plot

It puzzles me too. I’m married to a dyslexic yet the only ‘errors’ I’ve read are grammatical with words like applauded and apprenticeships spelled completely correct. Maybe has a good spell check?

drew · Jul 13, 2024

Right Brain Ronnie said:
Yes it is harsh, however people with a right of centre view point on here have posters show an unnecessary amount of aggression against them, if it was physical and on the street they would be banged up.
So basically your implying dyslexia can be discriminated about but all the other types of discrimination can't. It's not my problem it's their problem.
If I had stated I was of colour or was homosexual or trans etc, would it be okay to mock on these?

Which is it? let's all knock one another for there diversity or let's not knock anyone and take them for what they are?

Starmer looks wide eyed like a frightened rabbit, i can not remember a PM ever looking so out of their depth.

If he was a strong PM he could have said Biden has been a fantastic president, but I am not here to judge his mental capacity, I enjoyed my engagement with him. Instead he lied very easily, saying Biden moved at pace and across all the detail, it's clear Biden is not fit to make huge decisions. His arse was squeezed tight enough to undo a used jar of Marmite.

Polite notice, small bite size post to me or you won't get an answer, this was far to long.

The main evidence is above:
Marmite soaked white Y fronts have been found in the Gents in Washington, if I can get hold of them you can taste them for confirmation if you like.
He changes his mind and direction like the wind, there will be plenty more flip flops to follow, he is weak and will go, within a year at best.

Bloody hell, you've got either a short or selective memory! I'll give you Boris Johnson and then raise that with a Liz Truss. Both only slightly ahead of Sunak on being completely out of their depth!

Bry Nylon · Jul 13, 2024

beorhthelm said:
...there are wind turbines approved off the Norfolk coast, not being built because no locals want pylons across the land. Labour will have to cut through this, with approval for infrastructure and large building developments, at cost of local votes.

Looks like the Labour government are bang up for this. No wonder Rachel Reeves announced last week that planning decisions for major infrastructure projects will now be made nationally rather than locally. Pointless anybody objecting to it now, seemingly.

Rachel Reeves said a future Labour government would support the National Grid's proposal for a 112-mile line from Dunston, near Norwich, to Tilbury on the Thames estuary. The project would involve a string of 45-50m high pylons carrying power generated from windfarms off the Norfolk coast to elsewhere in the country.
The route passes a number of south Norfolk communities and has provoked huge opposition in the area, from the local MP, South Norfolk Council and Norfolk County Council. But Ms Reeves has given her party's support to the scheme, saying it was "time to get on with it".

Eastern Daily Press. 1st March 2024

Labour backs controversial Norfolk pylon scheme

The construction of miles of pylons across the Norfolk countryside should go ahead, says shadow chancellor Rachel Reeves.

www.edp24.co.uk

Bob! · Jul 13, 2024

Labour’s ‘rooftop revolution’ to deliver solar power to millions of UK homes

Ed Miliband sets new rules on solar panels and approves three giant solar farms as Labour seeks to end years of Tory inaction

www.theguardian.com

beorhthelm · Jul 13, 2024

Bry Nylon said:
Looks like the Labour government are bang up for this. No wonder Rachel Reeves announced last week that planning decisions for major infrastructure projects will now be made nationally rather than locally. Pointless anybody objecting to it now, seemingly.

Rachel Reeves said a future Labour government would support the National Grid's proposal for a 112-mile line from Dunston, near Norwich, to Tilbury on the Thames estuary. The project would involve a string of 45-50m high pylons carrying power generated from windfarms off the Norfolk coast to elsewhere in the country.
The route passes a number of south Norfolk communities and has provoked huge opposition in the area, from the local MP, South Norfolk Council and Norfolk County Council. But Ms Reeves has given her party's support to the scheme, saying it was "time to get on with it".

Eastern Daily Press. 1st March 2024

Labour backs controversial Norfolk pylon scheme

The construction of miles of pylons across the Norfolk countryside should go ahead, says shadow chancellor Rachel Reeves.

www.edp24.co.uk

hope so, its the only way we get the country going forward. much tlak about balance overlooks there hasn't been any for so long, with build nothing local interests winning over national policy.

Zeberdi · Jul 14, 2024

Bob! said:
Labour’s ‘rooftop revolution’ to deliver solar power to millions of UK homes

Ed Miliband sets new rules on solar panels and approves three giant solar farms as Labour seeks to end years of Tory inaction

www.theguardian.com

Agree with most of that but with the windfarms, every application will need to be subject to environmental impact assessments as any development needs to be and some areas will be more sensitive to others. Unfortunately views out of your living room window won’t come into it.

The solar panel ‘revolution’ excellent - every house old or new should be producing renewables as well as having tough penalties on homeowners who fail to mitigate against thermal loss in their homes. More should be done with energy bills too - rewarding households with low energy use and penalising those that go over a standard use for their size household.

I think limiting the number of cars per household too - every member of a household does not need to have a car ( my neighbour has 5 vehicles - for a family of 4!).

Plastering the whole of East of England, Wales and Scotland with wind farms won’t produce enough energy - we need solar power, tidal power but most of all reduce what energy we are using. Even wind farms and solar farms have a carbon footprint

Right Brain Ronnie · Jul 14, 2024

Thunder Bolt said:
It puzzles me too. I’m married to a dyslexic yet the only ‘errors’ I’ve read are grammatical with words like applauded and apprenticeships spelled completely correct. Maybe has a good spell check?

Maybe your partners weakness in their dyslexia is spelling, my spelling has never been horrendous, I work extremely hard to be accurate because detail is more important to me than most, I don't use spell check, as you like to think people will let it pass and not to and say the obvious.
They wouldn't knock and joke to a person in a wheelchair, it's about being consistent in life to me so why they feel the need is either they are naive or an arse, I weigh up which it is very quickly and there appears to be half a dozen arses on here.

Do you fill out most of any paperwork that is required in life, it's a massive task for a person with dyslexia, then you through in the ADHD you can probably bring the difficulty level of a factor of 6, it depends how many questions and how long the questions are.

How many books in life has your partner every read? I have probably read half a dozen since adult hood, it's another marathon for an obese person, ridiculously difficult and unenjoyable.

Please answer i, but I will not reply as Zeberdi who said this thread is turning out about me, he has the emotional intelligence of a brick, and he clearly would like it about him, just look at the amount of threads he starts.....

BadFish · Jul 14, 2024

Right Brain Ronnie said:
Maybe your partners weakness in their dyslexia is spelling, my spelling has never been horrendous, I work extremely hard to be accurate because detail is more important to me than most, I don't use spell check, as you like to think people will let it pass and not to and say the obvious.
They wouldn't knock and joke to a person in a wheelchair, it's about being consistent in life to me so why they feel the need is either they are naive or an arse, I weigh up which it is very quickly and there appears to be half a dozen arses on here.

Do you fill out most of any paperwork that is required in life, it's a massive task for a person with dyslexia, then you through in the ADHD you can probably bring the difficulty level of a factor of 6, it depends how many questions and how long the questions are.

How many books in life has your partner every read? I have probably read half a dozen since adult hood, it's another marathon for an obese person, ridiculously difficult and unenjoyable.

Please answer i, but I will not reply as Zeberdi who said this thread is turning out about me, he has the emotional intelligence of a brick, and he clearly would like it about him, just look at the amount of threads he starts.....

You have made this thread all about your dyslexia, not only that, you have also ignored (and discriminated against) other people's neuro challenges.

There is a thread dedicated to neurodiversity. Perhaps that would a better place for this discussion?

Right Brain Ronnie · Jul 14, 2024

BadFish said:
You have made this thread all about your dyslexia, not only that, you have also ignored (and discriminated against) other people's neuro challenges.

There is a thread dedicated to neurodiversity. Perhaps that would a better place for this discussion?

240 post on here I don't think so.
please look who started it first, I am gone from here, I have it in my signature and expect the neuro typical to read it. I have not discriminated against any other neuro challenges, if you feel I have accidentally it would need pointing out, see you on that thread. I am off out anyway now to speak to people in the flesh, try it, it can be fun.

KZNSeagull · Jul 14, 2024

Bob! said:
Labour’s ‘rooftop revolution’ to deliver solar power to millions of UK homes

Ed Miliband sets new rules on solar panels and approves three giant solar farms as Labour seeks to end years of Tory inaction

www.theguardian.com

Oh good, about time too.
The other thing they should look at is new housing developments to have their own solar powered sewage treatment plants.

BadFish · Jul 14, 2024

Right Brain Ronnie said:
240 post on here I don't think so.
please look who started it first, I am gone from here, I have it in my signature and expect the neuro typical to read it. I have not discriminated against any other neuro challenges, if you feel I have accidentally it would need pointing out, see you on that thread. I am off out anyway now to speak to people in the flesh, try it, it can be fun.

Not sure I should have to point it out to you, not my place wither. However I would suggest that you are holding others to a higher standard than you are holding yourself.

Given your last snide comment I think I will take my leave of reading your posts, I will leave by also suggesting that you have made your point re your dyslexia and continuing to labour the point while criticising others is not a good look.

Couldn't Be Hyypia · Jul 14, 2024

Perhaps not the best headline this morning....

WATFORD zero · Jul 14, 2024

Right Brain Ronnie said:
240 post on here I don't think so.
please look who started it first, I am gone from here, I have it in my signature and expect the neuro typical to read it. I have not discriminated against any other neuro challenges, if you feel I have accidentally it would need pointing out, see you on that thread. I am off out anyway now to speak to people in the flesh, try it, it can be fun.

I can't help but wonder where you spent all your time before you 'discovered' NSC a week ago

Super Steve Earle · Jul 14, 2024

Still waiting for a mood lift. Apparently houses are going to be built all over the green belt, renamed as grey belt. No more new oil drilling even if we still need oil and solar panels all over our farmland affecting our ability to feed ourselves. But luckily we'll be ahead in the race towards net zero. I get headlines pop up from all the main papers every day but somehow I'm just feeling under state control today with Milliband following a personal agenda. No doubt I've read the details in the wrong media outlets. Perhaps Gareth can help me out today.

Harry Wilson's tackle · Jul 14, 2024

Super Steve Earle said:
Still waiting for a mood lift. Apparently houses are going to be built all over the green belt, renamed as grey belt. No more new oil drilling even if we still need oil and solar panels all over our farmland affecting our ability to feed ourselves. But luckily we'll be ahead in the race towards net zero. I get headlines pop up from all the main papers every day but somehow I'm just feeling under state control today with Milliband following a personal agenda. No doubt I've read the details in the wrong media outlets. Perhaps Gareth can help me out today.

A mood lift? For you? How about 'there is a good chance of a Tory win in 2034!'. That should make your day. You can now concentrate on moaning about Labour :thumbsup:

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