Papa Lazarou
Living in a De Zerbi wonderland
The right, especially the Bannon US aligned right seem to be behind Kemi. I'd expect her to be a strong candidate
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[Politics] The NSC 'up all night' election night *** OFFICIAL MATCH THREAD ***
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jackalbion
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- Aug 30, 2011
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I sense you have an agenda here, it was a fundamentally stupid decision to deselect her with one day to spare, votes will have likely gone to green anyway. On a good night for Labour a fundamentally moronic decision from everyone.
- Nov 11, 2009
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Of those with public profile. Ben Wallace would be their best bet, as he's respected for his ministerial role in defence, he'll hold Starmers feet to fire on defence spending and is maybe one of only senior figures not tarnished by their time in government.
Tobias Elwood is reasonably respected and comes from the more moderate wing.
Or someone unheard of who's younger?
They'd be making an even bigger mistake if that person is from the right, in the Truss/Braverman wing. Last night has proven the centre is where the majority is at.
One thing that was apparent this time as it was at the end of Blair/Brown years, is the public hates party division and infighting. Labour have kept a lid on divisions well in campaign, but they will still be there, the left, unions etc will start fighting at some point. The Tories have been publicly fighting and totally divided. Nothing will change for them unless that bit does first.
Will be at least a decade of Starmers Labour if they can keep a lid on factional fighting.
KZNSeagull
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Labour share of the vote up 17% in Scotland, up 2% in the Midlands, everywhere else either unchanged or down.
But she is 'Reform-curious'. She is likely to engineer a merger. The only fly in that oinkment is that Farage will insist on being leader. Or will he? Chancellor, in charge of (taking) all our money may appeal to him.
With a stable labour this could clinch a second term for Starmer.
- Mar 23, 2023
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I’m putting politics on ignore for a few years, gonna leave him to get on with it.I agree. I was celebrating Starmer's dullness as leader of the opposition (to much derision from folk to the left and to the right of me). And I was a bit disappointed to see sensible people moaning about him.
Like everyone I am drawn to charismatic leaders, and remember how I usually laughed at Johnson's jokes and had to actively remind myself what an absolute state the man is every time I saw him. Even during Covid. I don't want to be seduced by charismatic leadership. I want....exactly what I hope (and suspect) Starmer will deliver. Honour, judgement, steadfastness, wisdom, country first, party second (crikey, that was his slogan.....). If it is dull, then, fantastic.
The grownups are back in the room.
- Mar 23, 2023
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Farrage won’t last long, the actual nitty gritty of supporting the good people of clacton will be too dull for his narcissism and he will go find something more gratifying.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Lobby your local MP to change the system to Proportional Representation then.
- Nov 11, 2009
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Wasn't all plain sailing though. Shadow cabinet member defeated by an independent (due Gaza) in Leicester South.
Labour Shadow Cabinet member Jonathan Ashworth loses seat to pro-Gaza independent in shock result
Labour's Jonathan Ashworth has lost his Leicester South seat to an independent candidate, in a surprise result.
www.lbc.co.uk
Deportivo Seagull
I should coco
That’s a bit of stretch using Brexit as a point of picking the audiences considering that’s was pre the last election. Both the Dg and the chairman are stooges for the Tory party as you only have to look Laura Keuessberg performances.
Which cost me £50 in winnings.
I do have an agenda. The taint of anti-Semitism had to be expunged. No ifs, no buts. Nobody is accusing labour of anti-Semitism now.
Meanwhile Starmer has very certainly not given any succour to Bibi. Not that the UK's support (or not) for Israel is relevant.
A split vote in one constituency and old IDS returned is a small and irrelevant battle lost. Like Corbyn willing his seat. These outcomes do not reflect the national imperative, and a mistake by Starmer. It does not mean Starmer is even more right wing than 'Liar Blair' (for those who hate Blair for having the temerity to back the US over Saddam).
No, Starmer should not have clung on to the anti-Semitic trope fools, especially Corbyn. I can't even remember the other one's name. That would have been fundamentally stupid.
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To be honest, I can't claim to be too plugged in to the smaller sort of towns which went Conservative for the first time last time, you'll probably have a much better feel for that than me being in Wolsingham. That said, when I do go to places like Barney or Bishop Auckland, they feel like the sort of places that in any other part of the country would be safely Conservative or maybe Con/Lib Dem if they were in the South West (in other words either heavily rural or a bit shit). If there isn't some sort of visible effort made in those areas it shouldn't be a surprise if people try voting Conservative or for other parties as a protest.
I'm not overly concerned by the Reform vote in Sunderland or Newcastle, they've had sizeable UKIP votes in the past, and the people I know from those places are so relaxed about how safely Labour they are that they just aren't all that bothered about getting out to vote.
KZNSeagull
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He has a huge majority now. Dullness as in tinkering with things isn't going to cut it. He needs to be bold and effect some real change for the better. Whilst you will disagree, the lack of votes for him (just over 20% of the electorate) means that, if things do not start getting better and quickly, he could well be out on his ear in 5 years time.I agree. I was celebrating Starmer's dullness as leader of the opposition (to much derision from folk to the left and to the right of me). And I was a bit disappointed to see sensible people moaning about him.
Like everyone I am drawn to charismatic leaders, and remember how I usually laughed at Johnson's jokes and had to actively remind myself what an absolute state the man is every time I saw him. Even during Covid. I don't want to be seduced by charismatic leadership. I want....exactly what I hope (and suspect) Starmer will deliver. Honour, judgement, steadfastness, wisdom, country first, party second (crikey, that was his slogan.....). If it is dull, then, fantastic.
Dull as in no controversies is fine, dull as in not doing much is not.
pasty
A different kind of pasty
Has she gone yet?
- Aug 24, 2020
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Listening to Alastair Campbell, he recalled a conversation with John Curtice a few months ago. Campbell was having a wobble about Labour's prospects, but Curtice said to him, that the Tories would lose the next election. He gave just two reasons why the Tories had already lost the electorate. First, was Boris and partygate. Second, was the Liz Truss fiasco.
The Tories fell down on two most basic requirements of 'electability'. Integrity and competence.
The Tories fell down on two most basic requirements of 'electability'. Integrity and competence.
Pevenseagull
meh
- Jul 20, 2003
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f*** it
Not slept and going to the cricket tonight
Might need the weather to be really bad
Not slept and going to the cricket tonight
Might need the weather to be really bad
- Apr 5, 2014
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I'm sure that my Labour MP, after winning 50% of the vote, will fully embrace the concept of PR
Starmer's stance on Gaza cost him. A tiny bit. Two seats lost because of it. One retaken. You can't win them all.Wasn't all plain sailing though. Shadow cabinet member defeated by an independent (due Gaza) in Leicester South.
Labour Shadow Cabinet member Jonathan Ashworth loses seat to pro-Gaza independent in shock result
Labour's Jonathan Ashworth has lost his Leicester South seat to an independent candidate, in a surprise result.
Glad he did not try to wheedle with the pro-Hamas lobby.
If Starmer has piled into Israel the second they began their revenge for the disgusting attack by Hamas it would have been absurd. Corbyn would have done so, after a few days of dither admittedly, and his noble stance would, in the long run, have saved exactly no lives. None.
I love the fact that Starmer does not do gesture politics.