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[Politics] General Election 2024 - 4th July



Frutos

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This debate and campaign are symptomatic of a bigger problem which all started with the Brexit campaign IMO - no-one is really arguing what is positive about their own side, only what they perceive is negative about the other side. It should be more "why you should vote for us" and less "why you shouldn't vote for them".

Starmer is right that Sunak saying so much is wrong and needs fixing is ludicrous when his party has been in power for 14 years. That said, Starmer needs to be clearer on what he/Labour would actually do.
 
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crodonilson said:
Anybody else watching tonight? Seems like there's a very angry and loud man outside the auditorium.
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I decided to watch the Euros game instead of the Tory’s last gasp.

A team which were successful in the mid-2010s but now have a few detestable old figures labouring on as panto villains and hated by basically everyone outside their hard core base, Portugal are currently 1-0 down.
 




beorhthelm

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these debates are not dull, they are painful. i dislike both of them more everytime they are on. they trot out the same tired claims with nothing new.
 
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pb21

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This is a painful watch. Sunak sounds like a stuck record with his new don't surrender to Labour soundbite :bla:
 




Frutos

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There is no way, even if the Tories win, that "all illegal migrants" will go to Rwanda.

It is simply not going to happen.
 


beorhthelm

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Frutos said:
This debate and campaign are symptomatic of a bigger problem which all started with the Brexit campaign IMO - no-one is really arguing what is positive about their own side, only what they perceive is negative about the other side. It should be more "why you should vote for us" and less "why shouldn't you vote for them".

Starmer is right that Sunak saying so much is wrong and needs fixing is ludicrous when his party has been in power for 14 years. That said, Starmer needs to be clearer on what he/Labour would actually do.
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it would be simple rule, only talk about your policy, not the other's policy or what they might do.
 










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Frutos said:
This debate and campaign are symptomatic of a bigger problem which all started with the Brexit campaign IMO - no-one is really arguing what is positive about their own side, only what they perceive is negative about the other side. It should be more "why you should vote for us" and less "why you shouldn't vote for them".

Starmer is right that Sunak saying so much is wrong and needs fixing is ludicrous when his party has been in power for 14 years. That said, Starmer needs to be clearer on what he/Labour would actually do.
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This entire election has been swerving questions on big, costed policy shifts, the IFS are almost mocking the whole lot including the Greens. The manifestos either don’t add up and/or they signal deviousness in not revealing (secretly known) major tax increases.

The media have been very much part of this ineptitude.

Instead it’s been an election of endless claims of moral superiority, betting and D-Day is talked about 100 fold more than housing, the junior doctors pay dispute, whilst stuff like mental health is a microscopic foot note. The polls, as in previous elections, now dominate over policy. Some democracies restrict them during elections for this reason.
 
















Frutos

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Is there anything left that Sunak hasn't asked us not to surrender to the Labour Party?
 








Blackadder

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Nigel can't accept that he wasn't invited.
crodonilson said:
Anybody else watching tonight? Seems like there's a very angry and loud man outside the auditorium.
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Nigel can't accept that he wasn't invited.
 


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