[Finance] Council tax '25 up 5.03%

[wardy wonder land]

Ewe can just imagine the usage, especially at night when it’s pasture bedtime

OK, dont' ram it down my throat, it was a wooly example at best

 

[wardy wonder land]

What are you saying here? That Lucas, one of the most outspoken and high profile politicians in the country, a female, should be getting the bus everywhere she goes!?

.....it was an example of rampant waste in the public sector (confirmed example from a conversation with a taxi driver).....

if it was a private company that had several building an samll area, i am sure that a mini bus or pool car(s) would be cheapr than several taxis a day and organise "meetings" in one building

 

[queens park pete]

synergy of departments for a start, why do they duplicate roles in Hove as well as in brighton ?
why do we still maintain hove town hall AND Brighton town hall ?
Why do we pay for transport between the 2 ? (C Lucas used to take taxis between BTH and HTH and not the bus)
freeze on pay rises like the rest of us
reverse brain dead ideas - for example Waterhall GC used to be a net conribuitor to the council coffers (rates, taxes etc) - but "re-wilding" the area has turned into an actual COST to the council ( ask how much they pay to transport sheep in to keep the grass down & the ranger that permently lives in the old club house) - let alone the additional car jounneys that local glofers now make when they cannot player there - how much carbon has the 3 foot tall grass actually "locked-in" ?
CW

So you have actual figures of the cash rolling in from Waterhall before and real future projections, and have you researched the future carbon "Locked-in" or are you just demonstrating nineteenth hole philosophy?
Waterhall is now also hosting and expanding a growing variety of other sports which have been poorly served , whereas there is still a golf course across the road from.WH.

Plus of course almost all these expenditures are made from tiny pots of largesse from UK gov for specific things. The poll tax has gone up largely because the statutory things councils pay for like adult social care have become more and more expensive and government funding for those hasn't matched it.
The reason local roads are falling to bits is because the funding from central government has been drastically reduced below what's needed for routine maintenance for the last 14 years.

 

[CHAPPERS]

.....it was an example of rampant waste in the public sector (confirmed example from a conversation with a taxi driver).....

if it was a private company that had several building an samll area, i am sure that a mini bus or pool car(s) would be cheapr than several taxis a day and organise "meetings" in one building

Taxi drivers definitely don’t talk a load of old shit either do they

 

[wardy wonder land]

A) So you have actual figures of the cash rolling in from Waterhall before and real future projections,

when a GC - municiple course - so the operator HAD to pay rent fees to the council
now - who pays to use the golf course area ? not the professsional dog walkers in thier van, nor the ranger living in the building
simple maths - now a net COST to the tax payer

have you researched the future carbon "Locked-in" or are you just demonstrating nineteenth hole philosophy?

Trees lock in carbon long term, grass does not - grows short term, dies off and releases back to the atmosphere
are they going to plant fast growing pine tress to "lock-in" or just leave it fallow ?

Waterhall is now also hosting and expanding a growing variety of other sports which have been poorly served , whereas there is still a golf course across the road from.WH

can you list the "new" sports at waterwhall (playng fields, not the golf course land) that have sprung up since the closeure ?
grid iron, baseball, Aussie rules, football, rugby were all there before

The poll tax has gone up largely because the statutory things councils pay for like adult social care have become more and more expensive and government funding for those hasn't matched it.

should be a poll tax, rather than a house/dwelling tax

The reason local roads are falling to bits is because the funding from central government has been drastically reduced below what's needed for routine maintenance for the last 14 years.

can you explain the logic of closing a road week 1 to fill in a pot hole, then coming back 4 weeks later to do another pot hole in the same road ?
public services are poorly organised

 

[queens park pete]

when a GC - municiple course - so the operator HAD to pay rent fees to the council
now - who pays to use the golf course area ? not the professsional dog walkers in thier van, nor the ranger living in the building
simple maths - now a net COST to the tax payer

Trees lock in carbon long term, grass does not - grows short term, dies off and releases back to the atmosphere
are they going to plant fast growing pine tress to "lock-in" or just leave it fallow ?

can you list the "new" sports at waterwhall (playng fields, not the golf course land) that have sprung up since the closeure ?
grid iron, baseball, Aussie rules, football, rugby were all there before

should be a poll tax, rather than a house/dwelling tax

can you explain the logic of closing a road week 1 to fill in a pot hole, then coming back 4 weeks later to do another pot hole in the same road ?
public services are poorly organised

I saw the phrase "simple maths" and realised there wasn't really any point trying discuss complicated multifactorial problems.

Oh, and the rewilding has only just started. I don't think planting " fast growing pine trees" is really the concept for this area.

 

[Bodian]

when a GC - municiple course - so the operator HAD to pay rent fees to the council
now - who pays to use the golf course area ? not the professsional dog walkers in thier van, nor the ranger living in the building
simple maths - now a net COST to the tax payer

You do know that municipal golf courses are run by local authorities - even if they contract it out. What was the income/profit to the council, do you know? I know that our local recreation facilities that people pay to use are still a net cost to the local council.

 

[Dick Swiveller]

when a GC - municiple course - so the operator HAD to pay rent fees to the council

Not even close to true. Leisure Management contracts are put out to tender and bids are submitted from interested parties. These can range from the council paying a management fee to the operator to the operator paying a fee to the council or sharing profits. Also ranges from the operator providing all repairs to the council providing all repairs. Will all depend on the profitability of the leisure services in question and the free market. Whilst MyTime Active paid the council for their previous 10 year lease, that lease expired. The suggestion that the council turned down the same amount of money from them for a new lease so they could spend money on the site is lunacy.

Unless, of course, you have access to all of the bids received which are never disclosed to the public and are discussed by council in camera.

 

[wardy wonder land]

I saw the phrase "simple maths" and realised there wasn't really any point trying discuss complicated multifactorial problems.

Oh, and the rewilding has only just started. I don't think planting " fast growing pine trees" is really the concept for this area.

oh wise pete - how did you get so highly educated if you "ignore" answers to simple questions ?

what is the long term plan for the waterhall re-wilding ? currently costing the tax payer @ £10K a year (in lost revenue from the old GC)

 

[wardy wonder land]

You do know that municipal golf courses are run by local authorities - even if they contract it out. What was the income/profit to the council, do you know? I know that our local recreation facilities that people pay to use are still a net cost to the local council.

ok - so municiple was the wrong word, what i meant was that the land is owned by B&H council, and is not a private golf club - it has been run for years by outside companies

the point is, the counicil would not "pay" somebody to run the golf couse, so it would be a benifit to outsource - with rates / tax coming in

even if it was £1 from WGC to the council, the difference now, is the re-wilding is costing money (-£1) so the impact to the taxpayer is negative - how may tonnes of carbon locked in ?

 

[queens park pete]

oh wise pete - how did you get so highly educated if you "ignore" answers to simple questions ?

what is the long term plan for the waterhall re-wilding ? currently costing the tax payer @ £10K a year (in lost revenue from the old GC)

Maybe just read Bodian and Dick's comments above?
Where have you got the £10k figure from?

As with all local government strategies these days, everything is stitched together on little random pots of money for this and that plop into the coffers after bids to central government. If the bid fails, nothing happens for a year. Sadly, this is happening with road maintenance too, not just things you don't like.

 

[stewart12]

Taxi drivers definitely don’t talk a load of old shit either do they

Not that it has anything to do with council tax, but I have seen Caroline Lucas on a bus on more than one occasion

 

[Bodian]

ok - so municiple was the wrong word, what i meant was that the land is owned by B&H council, and is not a private golf club - it has been run for years by outside companies

the point is, the counicil would not "pay" somebody to run the golf couse, so it would be a benifit to outsource - with rates / tax coming in

even if it was £1 from WGC to the council, the difference now, is the re-wilding is costing money (-£1) so the impact to the taxpayer is negative - how may tonnes of carbon locked in ?

Maybe just read Bodian and Dick's comments above?
Where have you got the £10k figure from?

As with all local government strategies these days, everything is stitched together on little random pots of money for this and that plop into the coffers after bids to central government. If the bid fails, nothing happens for a year. Sadly, this is happening with road maintenance too, not just things you don't like.

The council considered the options and reached a decision based on various things. Basically the golf course wasn't sustainable, and the rewilding is seemingly 'free' to the council. It wasn't just a random decision https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...usg=AOvVaw1xwBg3MCn_g5zxg9Y-OCxV&opi=89978449

 

[wardy wonder land]

Maybe just read Bodian and Dick's comments above?

where is the detail for 5 10 15 year plan of te rewilding ? plus costs ?

Where have you got the £10k figure from?

business rate value of the old club house (2015)
now a house for the ranger

As with all local government strategies these days, everything is stitched together on little random pots of money for this and that plop into the coffers after bids to central government. If the bid fails, nothing happens for a year. Sadly, this is happening with road maintenance too, not just things you don't like.

how does that effect the "planning" process to fix 2 seperate pot holes in the same road (100m apart) over a 4 week period ?

 

[Chicken Run]

Taxi drivers definitely don’t talk a load of old shit either do they

I think taxi drivers confuse knowledge with The Knowledge…

 

[Dick Swiveller]

Maybe just read Bodian and Dick's comments above?

Why would he want to do that? I don't drive a taxi. I have only worked in the Leisure Management Industry for 14 years.

 

[queens park pete]

where is the detail for 5 10 15 year plan of te rewilding ? plus costs ?

business rate value of the old club house (2015)
now a house for the ranger

how does that effect the "planning" process to fix 2 seperate pot holes in the same road (100m apart) over a 4 week period ?

The pot holes are the result of inadequate funding for road maintenance.

If roads and paths were properly maintained ( the council has a very clear maintenance cycle) roads would not pothole with the frequency they do. A stitch in time saves nine?

In consequence of the "cut everything, they are clowns" mentality, we have ended up with hard working maintenance teams charging around with "sticking plasters" when they know patching and filling will only last three years if we are lucky . And then another emergency full appears 100m down the road. A consequence of cuts, not local planning.

 

[Chicken Run]

We all know paying our fair share to the community is essential, it just seems a shame that the council and councils in the past representing this great city is top heavy with clowns.

Only the other day one of them was measuring the depth of a pot hole.