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Would the world be a better place if we just hung people who commit crimes like this?
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Skint Gull
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Yeah coz rope is £1 per mtr compared to £80,000 per year
I'd be surprised if what Magoo said is actually true but I fear you may be a little too simplistic there...
steward 433
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Maybe but isn't that just the plain truth?
going back to punishment read this
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1433832/posts
bhaexpress
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In the US the legal costs of appeals brings the costs up.
Fatboy Stenno
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Exactly what I've been thinking.
I think most of us on here would agree that the death peanlty is not the solution and, in any event, I can't ever see it being brought back. BUT, if someone is convicted of a crime and sent to prison, I think they should be deprived of any luxuries and made to feel that they don't want to be there. It should be as horrible a place as it can be - stuff the Human Rights Act.
If someone commits a crime of a level which earns a custodial sentence, surely they have forfeited any rights to a comfortable existence?
That said, we still need to tackle the causes of crime in the first place and I really think we have one enormous great steaming pile of a problem here. It must start with more respect and discipline both at home and at school, but Christ knows how this can be achieved?
magoo
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That's what i mean.
There's more costs involved in putting someone on death row than buying a length of rope...
Dr Bandler
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Shame
What is interesting is that everyone agrees the current situation is wrong and everyone has some ideas about what to do - from providing increased leisure activities for kids to increasing discipline and punishment. Actually, the best solution is surely a combination of carrott and stick - but the shame is the government just look impotent and do nothing. And I am not sure the Tories would be any more effective.
I think we need a concerted effort to provide a spectrum of help and discipline to badly behaved kids. Along the line if help is constantly refused then they MUST be punished. It is because there is no current mechanism for this that they are so cocky and wayward. A point that is often missed is that not only are they are a nuisance and threat to other people, they are surely not happy people themselves. They need boundaries enforced in order to grow. Their parents, and us as a society, are not helping them by being soft. It is neglectful and we are failing them.
We need to invest in sports and youth clubs. But we also need disclipne back in school. That means if you are expelled you dont hang around shopping centres and estates intimidating and theiving, you go to borstal. It also means we need zero tolerance policing and sentencing as in New York. This is effective. Finally, I think some acts are just so damned evil that the death penalty is justified - but that is just my opinion.
What is interesting is that everyone agrees the current situation is wrong and everyone has some ideas about what to do - from providing increased leisure activities for kids to increasing discipline and punishment. Actually, the best solution is surely a combination of carrott and stick - but the shame is the government just look impotent and do nothing. And I am not sure the Tories would be any more effective.
I think we need a concerted effort to provide a spectrum of help and discipline to badly behaved kids. Along the line if help is constantly refused then they MUST be punished. It is because there is no current mechanism for this that they are so cocky and wayward. A point that is often missed is that not only are they are a nuisance and threat to other people, they are surely not happy people themselves. They need boundaries enforced in order to grow. Their parents, and us as a society, are not helping them by being soft. It is neglectful and we are failing them.
We need to invest in sports and youth clubs. But we also need disclipne back in school. That means if you are expelled you dont hang around shopping centres and estates intimidating and theiving, you go to borstal. It also means we need zero tolerance policing and sentencing as in New York. This is effective. Finally, I think some acts are just so damned evil that the death penalty is justified - but that is just my opinion.
Blackadder
Brighton Bhuna Boy
Couldn't agree more on Respect.
The trouble is the word used to mean one respected the rights/feelings of others. These days its used as justification for a ferral gang to murder someone because they don't show enough respect!
- Jul 7, 2003
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Not strictly true: to be convicted of murder, it must be proved beyond reasonable doubt that the defendant intended to kill OR cause grievous bodily harm to the victim.
Therefore given that it's a reasonable assumption that smashing a glass object over somebody's head (as appears to be the case here), is likely to cause such grievous harm, and that fact would be obvious to a reasonable person, a murder charge is the likely outcome.
There are defences to murder which may result in a verdict of manslaughter being offered to a jury, but these are highly unlikely to apply in this case (diminished responsibility, provocation, suicide pacts etc). As for the common law offence of manslaughter in itself, it all gets a bit complex, but suffice it to say that the defendant would have to have shown the intent to commit an unlawful act, ie an assault, which in this case, if proven, would provide the evidence for a murder conviction in any case.
I think ;o)
alan partridge
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and people said that less than 10 years before less than ten years ago, and less than ten years before that, and less than ten years before that, and.....ad nauseum
Dr Bandler
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Send your smug. complacent answer to the families of deceased......
Hes right though
dougdeep
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The answer lies here. YouTube - Not the Nine O'Clock News - Soccer Hooligans
alan partridge
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what the frig has my comment got to do with that you sanctimonious little tit?
Why is it, when a case like this turns up, people always bang on about the death penalty, nostalgic yearnings for times gone by, be it 10 years ago, 20, 30 whatever, it doesn't matter (what I was commenting on) and what the government should be/isn't doing.
This is an extreme case obviously, but what about the aggression that's so common in British society? That's got f*** all to do with governments or education. It's a culture of machismo that grown men can't seem to let go of(see the west st firm thread for a quick example). No one seems to talk about that and yet, for most people I know, it's the thing they hate the most about England.
Dr Bandler
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You make some good points here which clarifies what you were saying. I think I misunderstood what you were getting at. I would even apologise if you hadnt called me a sanctimonious little tit.....
NMH
Banned
It's suspected that a Turk did the deed, and a fellow has been arrested today.
(If it's the right bloke) he'll get sorted in the slammer, I reckon.
(If it's the right bloke) he'll get sorted in the slammer, I reckon.
It does seem very steep. Outsourcing -that's the answer. If they can undercut the contracts for NHS paperwork, insurance call-centres and everything else, surely a private firm in India could look after our crims for a fraction of the cost.
Failing that, I'll keep two in my shed for half of that
Djmiles
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steward 433
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Is that correct, EIGHTY grand?!?
Fraid so £80,000 for each and every one of them did have the figures for 2006 on my old computer but we couldn't salvage anything when it went up in smoke
