Woodwork - Did it cross the line?

[eastlondonseagull]

Near the end, before they got that winner, we hit the bar and the ball bounced precariously near the line. Did it go in? I bloody think it did

Also, shortly before they scored their winner, the lino gave them a throw, when the ball was clearly chested off one of their players. The goal wouldn't have come had that arsehole lino not made that decision

f***ing wankers

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[eastlondonseagull]

Bollocks. BBC highlights look like it didn't cross the line. But were we offside for Forster's eventual rebound?

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[Marc1901]

nice thread pal

 

[KneeOn]

I can honestly say, sitting in block C, it didn't cross the line.

However, was Fozzy behind teh ball when it was played? If so, NOT OFFSIDE!! Even if there are no defenders between you and the goal line, if the ball is played backwards, even just a bit, your onside. Now from wat i can remember, Fozzy wasn't ahead of the ball when it was played... SO THE GOAL SHOULD HAVE STOOD! Correct me if i'm wrong... but that's my interpretation of that god awful offside law and the crossbar shot.

 

[Peter Grummit]

No it did,nt cross the line and it was Davies who was offside when he got in the way of Bennett's follow up attempt.
We created chances today and I think we'll do ok this year, upper midtable. Three things cost us: lack of communication, lack of fullbacks (it was painfully obvious we were playing 4 CBs), and Kuipers who I have a lot of time for but was poor today for the 2nd and 3rd goals.
PG

 

[Hockley Blues]

Judging by the BBC highlights, it bounced a good 1-2 feet shy of the goal line.

 

[The Ringleader]

f***ing brilliant shot though, southend will be happy with a win, draw would of been fair.

 

[Deleted User X18H]

I can honestly say that from my family stand front row view I have no idea!

 

[KneeOn]

I can honestly say that from my family stand front row view I have no idea!

Nice Family stand should have had the best view!

 

[Everest]

Nice Family stand should have had the best view...

of nappies being changed

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

if the ball is played backwards, even just a bit, your onside.

Direction of the ball has nothing to do with the offside rule.

 

[Yoda]

Direction of the ball has nothing to do with the offside rule.

Yes it does, if you are behind the ball when it is played or if the ball is cut back then you are ONside.

 

[Everest]

Direction of the ball has nothing to do with the offside rule.

It does. You cannot be offside if the ball is played back.
You can be in an offside position when the ball is played, but if it is played back (even by 1 degree) then swings forward, you are still ONside. That's one reason you can't be offside from a corner.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

It does. You cannot be offside if the ball is played back.
You can be in an offside position when the ball is played, but if it is played back (even by 1 degree) then swings forward, you are still ONside. That's one reason you can't be offside from a corner.

There was a discussion about this on this very site a year or so ago, I must admit I used to think the direction of the ball played a part in offside as well. I was corrected. I've just looked at Law 11 and again cannot see anything relating to direction of ball....the law simply refers to players positions and when the pass is made. In most cases the offside does come from playing the ball forward and if played backwards it is unlikely to cause offence.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Offside Position
It is not an offence in itself to be in an offside position.
A player is in an offside position if:
• he is nearer to his opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the
second last opponent
A player is not in an offside position if:
• he is in his own half of the fi eld of play or
• he is level with the second last opponent or
• he is level with the last two opponents
Offence
A player in an offside position is only penalised if, at the moment the
ball touches or is played by one of his team, he is, in the opinion of
the referee, involved in active play by:
• interfering with play or
• interfering with an opponent or
• gaining an advantage by being in that position
No Offence
There is no offside offence if a player receives the ball directly from:
• a goal kick
• a throw-in
• a corner kick

 

[Acker79]

It does. You cannot be offside if the ball is played back.
You can be in an offside position when the ball is played, but if it is played back (even by 1 degree) then swings forward, you are still ONside. That's one reason you can't be offside from a corner.

Below is the most recent rule on offsides. As you can see, you are not offside if you are level with, or behind, the ball. It has nothing to do with how the ball is played, but where the ball is. If you are behind or level with the ball it has to be played back, or sideways, if you are ahead of the ball it has to be played forward (even if you do it with a curve back first, you were ahead of the ball, and it had to be played forward).

Latest rule:

Offside Position
It is not an offence in itself to be in an offside position.

A player is in an offside position if:
• he is nearer to his opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the
second-last opponent

A player is not in an offside position if:
• he is in his own half of the field of play or
• he is level with the second-last opponent or
• he is level with the last two opponents

Offence
A player in an offside position is only penalised if, at the moment the ball
touches or is played by one of his team, he is, in the opinion of the referee,
involved in active play by:
• interfering with play or
• interfering with an opponent or
• gaining an advantage by being in that position

No Offence
There is no offside offence if a player receives the ball directly from:
• a goal kick
• a throw-in
• a corner kick

Infringements and Sanctions
In the event of an offside offence, the referee awards an indirect free kick
to the opposing team to be taken from the place where the infringement
occurred (see Law 13 – Position of Free Kick).

And from the referee's advice section:

Definitions
In the context of Law 11 – Offside, the following definitions apply:
• “nearer to his opponents’ goal line” means that any part of a player’s
head, body or feet is nearer to his opponents’ goal line than both the
ball and the second-last opponent. The arms are not included in this
definition
• “interfering with play” means playing or touching the ball passed or
touched by a team-mate
• “interfering with an opponent” means preventing an opponent
from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing
the opponent’s line of vision or movements or making a gesture or
movement which, in the opinion of the referee, deceives or distracts an
opponent
• “gaining an advantage by being in that position” means playing a ball
that rebounds to him off a goalpost or the crossbar having been in an
offside position or playing a ball that rebounds to him off an opponent
having been in an offside position

and

When an offside offence occurs, the referee awards an indirect free kick to be
taken from the position of the offending player when the ball was last played
to him by one of his team-mates.
Any defending player leaving the field of play for any reason without the
referee’s permission shall be considered to be on his own goal line or touch line
for the purposes of offside until the next stoppage in play. If the player leaves
the field of play deliberately, he must be cautioned when the ball is next out of
play.
It is not an offence in itself for a player who is in an offside position to step
off the field of play to show the referee that he is not involved in active play.
However, if the referee considers that he has left the fi eld of play for tactical
reasons and has gained an unfair advantage by re-entering the fi eld of play, the
player must be cautioned for unsporting behaviour. The player needs to ask for
the referee’s permission to re-enter the field of play.
If an attacking player remains stationary between the goalposts and inside the
goal net as the ball enters the goal, a goal must be awarded. However, if the
attacking player distracts an opponent, the goal must be disallowed, the player
cautioned for unsporting behaviour and play restarted with a dropped ball
from the position of the ball when play was stopped, unless play was stopped
inside the goal area, in which case the referee drops the ball on the goal area
line parallel to the goal line at the point nearest to where the ball was located
when play was stopped.

For more info:
http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/federation/81/42/36/lawsofthegameen.pdf

Ultimately, though, one of the other posters here has it right, it wasn't forster who was offside. When the ball hit the crossbar, Davies moved into an offside position, bennett tried to follow up and the ball fell to davies, the flag went up, I sat down, the ball was passed to forster who slid it in then the ref stopped play.

 

[The Wizard]

When the player receiving the pass is behind the ball you are NOT offside.

 

[Acker79]

if the ball is played backwards, even just a bit, your onside.

Direction of the ball has nothing to do with the offside rule.

Yes it does, if you are behind the ball when it is played or if the ball is cut back then you are ONside.

No, it doesn't. Not in the law.

If the ball is played backwards, it means you are behind the ball. Being behind the ball is what makes you onside, not the ball being played backwards.

If you're in an offside position (i.e. ahead of the ball) and the ball is played backwards, behind you, and you turn around, go back and collect the ball, you are deemed offside, because you were ahead of the ball when it was played.

 

[Acker79]

When the ball is played back you are NOT offside.

This is getting boring.

When the ball is played back you are not offside, as long as you are behind the ball when it is played back.

 

[Everest]

The laws have changed then because you could NOT be offside from a ball played back.