why moan or have a dig

[cjd]

Wait we've lost 3 in 19 and the majority of todays posts have been very negative, because of one below par performance, suppose it is apparently JUSTIFIED I read above

I don,t think it,s because of one defeat there are so many negative posts..........three players, Richards, O,Callaghan and Savage are probably unlikely to play for the Albion again, due to contract disputes. Those three players are an important, and large part of that side who have only lost 3 in 19 games. Definitely cause for concern in my book.

 

[Withdean Wanderer]

Yes...but you abuse the f***ing right.

WHY THE f*** ARE YOU AN ALBION FAN AT ALL?

You know what league we're in, our finances, our limited playing resources and our limited support. There's no billionaire around the corner to save us, we don't have hordes of world class players lining up to play for us and there is a very short list of top managers that want to manage us.

DON'T f***ing BUY FROM THE SHOP AND GO AND SUPPORT SOME OTHER TEAM IF YOU THINK THAT PAYING TO WATCH A FOOTIE TEAM ENTITLES YOU TO SUCCESS.

Me, I'm here for the long haul.

What a load of old toss.

"Why the f*** am i an Albion fan at all"? Probably for the same reasons you are you plank!

I know what league we're in
I know we've got no money
I know the team/manager are average

I don't think i'm entitled to success? I just like discussing the negatives/problems around the club/team. It makes for good DISCUSSION, wheras posting tripe about "i love the club", "i stood in the north stand", "forster is better than sex" doesn't make ANY.

If there was nothing to moan about then this forum would be SHIT - you certainly wouldn't have made 6000 posts a day if everything on here was positive.

Of course i love supporting the albion, even if they're crap - i don't feel the need to show off about it though

If you don't like a bit of moaning...WHY THE f*** ARE YOU A NSC REGULAR AT ALL?

 

[cjd]

What a load of old toss.

"Why the f*** am i an Albion fan at all"? Probably for the same reasons you are you plank!

I know what league we're in
I know we've got no money
I know the team/manager are average

I don't think i'm entitled to success? I just like discussing the negatives/problems around the club/team. It makes for good DISCUSSION, wheras posting tripe about "i love the club", "i stood in the north stand", "forster is better than sex" doesn't make ANY.

If there was nothing to moan about then this forum would be SHIT - you certainly wouldn't have made 6000 posts a day if everything on here was positive.

Of course i love supporting the albion, even if they're crap - i don't feel the need to show off about it though

If you don't like a bit of moaning...WHY THE f*** ARE YOU A NSC REGULAR AT ALL?

You do go on a bit sometimes.......but fair play...........faultless post....

 

[Buzzer]

What a load of old toss.

"Why the f*** am i an Albion fan at all"? Probably for the same reasons you are you plank!

I know what league we're in
I know we've got no money
I know the team/manager are average

I don't think i'm entitled to success? I just like discussing the negatives/problems around the club/team. It makes for good DISCUSSION, wheras posting tripe about "i love the club", "i stood in the north stand", "forster is better than sex" doesn't make ANY.

If there was nothing to moan about then this forum would be SHIT - you certainly wouldn't have made 6000 posts a day if everything on here was positive.

Of course i love supporting the albion, even if they're crap - i don't feel the need to show off about it though

If you don't like a bit of moaning...WHY THE f*** ARE YOU A NSC REGULAR AT ALL?

It's because it's not a BIT of moaning with you though, is it? It seems to be your raison d'etre. And don't act like it's come as a big surprise to you to find that people think you're negative for the sake of being negative.

I'm not claiming to be an uberfan, I'm not boasting about being an Albion fan (pretty pointless on Albion messageboard) and I've moaned about the club too (buses to and from Withdean being a case in point). Just lighten up for the sake of the children of Mile Oak. It could all be a lot lot worse.

and have a gappy new year you old sourpuss

 

[SULLY COULDNT SHOOT]

I think cjd, that there's a fair few of us that have been predicting this moment for ages. Whilst we've been playing well the usual suspects have been barely able to hide their disappointment at not being able to contribute to Wilkins/DK out threads.

Sure enough...one bad loss and then they're all back. It seems to me that there are people here who bizarrely seem to want Albion to fail.

Well said Buzzer.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

I,m not meaning to have a go at you Steward433, in fact, I,m glad you feel so positive about it all. But the Falmer saga has been crippling to a small League 1 team. This club needed to stay in the Championship to maintain a decent sized fan base.This board of Directors did not give us a chance.The fan base is dwindling and at this rate, and our good players going to obtain better wages elsewhere, the fan base will soon drop to 3-4000. THis is not nearly enough to persuade banks, breweries or anybody else to invest the minimum £50 milliion pounds needed to bring Falmer to fruition.
I wish the above wasn,t true, but unfortunately I see this present Board of Directors negative attitude being a disaster in the making. Just my opinion of course.
Oh....and I moan about this, because I want the Albion to succeed, not die a slow and inevitable death.

Without Falmer, at best we will always be a small league1 team, with falmer the sky's the limit. The battle is to still be around when falmer is finished, and to do that you need a Board of directors that are tighter than a Duck's arse when it comes to money. Coventry anyone. The thing about running a footy club is that cash is king, no cash flow then administration, there ain't any second chances. If the directors don't have any cash then we can't spend it. let's face it, the directors take the financial risk ... we don't. If they don't want to take the risk then they don't and that's basically what happened. You might not like it, I might not like it but it was their risk and they made the choice ... end of story.


No money no f***ing deal.

 

[withdeanwombat]

Isn't this where we all let off steam,especially after a defeat?

Mostly we know wotswot with the club/team/manager,but we lose a game and all feel like a bucket of turd,so we come on here and slag people off rather than kicking the dog,shouting at the family or kicking the bloody get out of my way dog,drinkijng too much rowing with the missus and just bugger off dog will you.

The team's crap,sack Wilkins,Tight out I say.

But if we win 5-1 at Yeovil.......................?

Up the Albion!

 

[Cadiz Seagull]

My gripe has always been that I believe that this board of Directors have failed to invest in the future of the club....

Er, just out of interest, who do you think has been funding the operating losses for the last 10 years, and will continue to do so for at least the next two years, even if things go brilliantly on the pitch?

 

[Deleted member 2719]

Yes...but you abuse the f***ing right.

WHY THE f*** ARE YOU AN ALBION FAN AT ALL?

You know what league we're in, our finances, our limited playing resources and our limited support. There's no billionaire around the corner to save us, we don't have hordes of world class players lining up to play for us and there is a very short list of top managers that want to manage us.

DON'T f***ing BUY FROM THE SHOP AND GO AND SUPPORT SOME OTHER TEAM IF YOU THINK THAT PAYING TO WATCH A FOOTIE TEAM ENTITLES YOU TO SUCCESS.

Me, I'm here for the long Haul.

Top Post Buzzer can i join your Long haul Gang?


So far i have done 30+ years and looking to do another 30 through thick and thin.

Keep The Faith.

 

[cjd]

Er, just out of interest, who do you think has been funding the operating losses for the last 10 years, and will continue to do so for at least the next two years, even if things go brilliantly on the pitch?

Just read your post. Nice of you to quote what I was saying, but failing to complete the sentence I used.
Just to re-iterate and repeat my sentence, I do feel that this Board of Directors has failed to invest in the future of this club..........AND IT,S SUPPORTERS.
You mention the operating losses incurred in the running of the club during the last 10 years. Would these losses have been so great if they had invested more in the team, remained in the Championship, and provided investment for better facilities at Withdean...? Bear in mind, that I believe we have had only one full-house at Withdean, and we are currently averaging 3-3500 empty seats each game. At a cost of £25 per seat, that,s about £2.5 million pounds a season (not including merchandise sales and increased advertising revenue).
I suspect, unless new players are brought in, that the figure of 3-3500 empty seats will soon increase to 4000 empty seats.
The reason , I,m disappointed that you failed to complete the sentence of that you quoted, was because I mentioned the supporters. I am sure from reading posts of yours before, that you are a long standing and loyal supporter of the Albion. However, I also recall that much of your time is now spent in sunny Spain.You can have a very different perspective on things when you sit in wet and windy conditions in a stadium with no roof, year in and year out, and you constantly see the supporters you have known from when the Withdean was first used , dwindle away , never to return.

 

[The Large One]

Yes...but you abuse the f***ing right.

WHY THE f*** ARE YOU AN ALBION FAN AT ALL?

You know what league we're in, our finances, our limited playing resources and our limited support. There's no billionaire around the corner to save us, we don't have hordes of world class players lining up to play for us and there is a very short list of top managers that want to manage us.

DON'T f***ing BUY FROM THE SHOP AND GO AND SUPPORT SOME OTHER TEAM IF YOU THINK THAT PAYING TO WATCH A FOOTIE TEAM ENTITLES YOU TO SUCCESS.

Me, I'm here for the long haul.

It needed to be said.

But then, I'm in for the long haul too.

 

[wigman]

It needed to be said.

But then, I'm in for the long haul too.

Ive done 35 years following the Albion and im carrying on till the end!

 

[The Large One]

Just to re-iterate and repeat my sentence, I do feel that this Board of Directors has failed to invest in the future of this club..........AND IT,S SUPPORTERS.
You mention the operating losses incurred in the running of the club during the last 10 years. Would these losses have been so great if they had invested more in the team, remained in the Championship, and provided investment for better facilities at Withdean...? Bear in mind, that I believe we have had only one full-house at Withdean, and we are currently averaging 3-3500 empty seats each game. At a cost of £25 per seat, that,s about £2.5 million pounds a season (not including merchandise sales and increased advertising revenue).

I suspect, unless new players are brought in, that the figure of 3-3500 empty seats will soon increase to 4000 empty seats.

The reason , I,m disappointed that you failed to complete the sentence of that you quoted, was because I mentioned the supporters. I am sure from reading posts of yours before, that you are a long standing and loyal supporter of the Albion. However, I also recall that much of your time is now spent in sunny Spain.You can have a very different perspective on things when you sit in wet and windy conditions in a stadium with no roof, year in and year out, and you constantly see the supporters you have known from when the Withdean was first used , dwindle away , never to return.

At the time of investing in the club (or rather, a year after investing in the club - we were still at Gillingham, spending a fortune getting Withdean ready), there weren't 3,500 empty seats, there were usually about 200.

The club invested in more seats, initially to take capacity from 6,000 to 7,000, and then a long and bloody expensive campaign to take it to 8,850. Since then, numbers haven't dwindled until this season. It's now an issue for a variety of reasons, they main two ones appearing to be (a) we're fed up of a shit ground where (b) we're it's too bloody expensive to get in. Gillingham, for instance, principally because of the £10 tickets, was a sell-out.

If you remember, when were first promoted to the Championship in 2002, there was bugger all the club could do about increasing attendance, because we were at 96% capacity already. We couldn't get extra seats in until early 2006.

The point about servicing debts - and the Falmer fund, which is the thing which has REALLY crippled the club - does, for me, take into account all of the things that the club could reasonably do given the financial constraints which the board of directors allow the club to operate to. What I'm guessing you would have wanted is richer businessmen to put their money in. If you are saying 'the board has let us down', one of the reasons could well be said that the people rich enough not to let us down are not interested in putting their money in - which lets us down.

Above and beyond that - the money ISN'T THERE.

 

[dougdeep]

Can I just say that the entire board is made up of Albion fans, who only care about the club. I have every faith in them.

 

[Woodchip]

I reckon the main problem being that all this started about 11-12 years ago, when we had to have a voice to stop the atrocities (sp?) happening at board level.

We now have a board that are Blue and White to the core (hence not spending stupid money on players who have an over inflated opinion of themselves - YOU'RE A THIRD DIVISION FOOTBALLER... GET OVER IT!!!). The problem being the old once bitten, twice shy saying has never been true. We've been screwed over by one board and don't want it to happen again so voice opinions at the SMALLEST thing.

Just my £0.02 worth.

 

[Cadiz Seagull]

Just read your post. Nice of you to quote what I was saying, but failing to complete the sentence I used.
Just to re-iterate and repeat my sentence, I do feel that this Board of Directors has failed to invest in the future of this club..........AND IT,S SUPPORTERS.
You mention the operating losses incurred in the running of the club during the last 10 years. Would these losses have been so great if they had invested more in the team, remained in the Championship, and provided investment for better facilities at Withdean...? Bear in mind, that I believe we have had only one full-house at Withdean, and we are currently averaging 3-3500 empty seats each game. At a cost of £25 per seat, that,s about £2.5 million pounds a season (not including merchandise sales and increased advertising revenue).
I suspect, unless new players are brought in, that the figure of 3-3500 empty seats will soon increase to 4000 empty seats.
The reason , I,m disappointed that you failed to complete the sentence of that you quoted, was because I mentioned the supporters. I am sure from reading posts of yours before, that you are a long standing and loyal supporter of the Albion. However, I also recall that much of your time is now spent in sunny Spain.You can have a very different perspective on things when you sit in wet and windy conditions in a stadium with no roof, year in and year out, and you constantly see the supporters you have known from when the Withdean was first used , dwindle away , never to return.

If DK and the other directors hadn't been prepared to cover the losses for the last 10 years then we wouldn't have a club, there wouldn't be a future and there wouldn't be any supporters.

You may be correct, the losses over the last 10 years may have been smaller, if more investment had gone into the team and we had stayed in the Championship, who knows? But it's a big if; there was never any guarantee that putting more money into the team would have guaranteed success, and if it hadn't then we would have been in a worse position -highly paid players on long term contracts, which caused most of the problems from 1983 onwards when we were exactly in that position after getting relegated from the old first division.

And the limitations of Withdean meant we could never make a profit even in the two highly successful years on the pitch with near capacity crowds while spending less on players than you (or I) would have liked.

Even if we had managed to stay in the Championship without spending loads on players and we did reasonably well and got decent gates we STILL would not have made a profit, and somebody would have to cover these losses.

I personally believe the directors did exactly the right thing in keeping our costs down as low as possible while doing everything possible to get a new stadium where it will at least be possible for us to make a profit.

The reality was, is, and always will be, the Albion will NEVER make a profit at Withdean and therefore someone has to be prepared to stump up decent amounts of dosh to cover the losses - and I'm not talking about 25 quid a week.

I also don't see what other improvements the club could have made at Withdean other than a roof over the South Stand which was NEVER going to get through the panning process.

Yes you're right I don't get to Withdean very often now but I'm still a supporter and always will be like loads of other people on here who live abroad, as well as loads who live in UK but don't go for whatever reason.

And I'm sure the Withdean problem is a large factor in the lower crowds we get now. When we first played at Withdean I and loads of others couldn't care less about sitting in a grotty stadium in the pouring rain or freezing cold, but after time the novelty wore off. It didn't wear off with me, I still went every week until I moved to Spain (and had a season ticket for the next two years that I hardly ever used). Whether or not I would have stopped going so often had I still been living in UK I do not know, I hope not. But I don't know.

But what I do know is that every other Saturday afternoon as I sit down with the lottery that is Seagulls World I wish I was at Withdean. But sometimes the feeling doesn't last very long

 

[cjd]

Thankyou for your curteous reply Cadiz. We will of course differ on what approach we feel the club has or should have taken.

 

[Beach Hut]

I don't think anyone can invest in a future until it is set in concrete (that being the start of the construction of Falmer).

That then gives something tangible to invest in, at present all our directors have done is chuck money at BHAFC just to keep it alive with no return on capital.

 

[BensGrandad]

Hindsight is a wonderful thing and in looking back a big mistake was made getting the last increase of seats as we havent needed them and the legal costs were probably very high. It could be argued that had we been succesful we would have needed them, but with the lack of investment when in the championship the need was not going to arise.

 

[Cadiz Seagull]

Thankyou for your curteous reply Cadiz. We will of course differ on what approach we feel the club has or should have taken.

That's fair enough. We can agree on the main point about being Albion supporters who want the best for the club, just differ on the way to get it.

Blimey, a gentlemanly discussion of opposing views - is this a first for NSC?

No it's not, but it sometimes seems that everyone is at everyone else's throat when we lose a game or a throw in goes against us.