Who will be the Winner in Tonight's big political debate ?

[jgmcdee]

(although no one outside Wales will vote for her)

Surely that should be no-one outside of Wales can vote for her.

 

[Albion100]

No fan of UKIP but the only party that is really serious about our perilous financial position as a nation. Everyone else has their head in the sand

I never thought I'd agree with UKIP, but I found myself agreeing with a lot he said.

 

[pastafarian]

i think green policies are a bit mental but you cant argue with their stance with regards to democratic process.

Glad to see they are in favour of an in/out EU referendum.

 

[Seagull1989]

Is Farage correct? If so he has a very valid point re funding. Certainly not an own goal.

I agree with his point on health tourism as a whole but thought focusing particularly on HIV, where people are still discrimanated against , was insensitive

 

[PILTDOWN MAN]

I agree with his point on health tourism as a whole but thought focusing particularly on HIV, where people are still discrimanated against , was insensitive

Sometimes the facts hurt. I will elaborate later.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

No fan of UKIP but the only party that is really serious about our perilous financial position as a nation. Everyone else has their head in the sand

Heads in the sand, I have felt like this for a long time. farage is the only one with a plan that makes some sense.

 

[Prince Monolulu]

Surely that should be no-one outside of Wales can vote for her.

I would

 

[Hampster Gull]

Newsnight saying their extrapolation of intentions indicate UKIP get 10% of the votes and ONE seat.

 

[Hampster Gull]

I would

I would

 

[Moshe Gariani]

This NSC poll massively overrated Farage.

 

[Rowdey]

ermmm.... yeah I think that's racist. For no reason other than they come from another country you don't want them here! Send back all our foreign players immediately!

Umm.. Wrong term being used here..Xenophobic, possibly. Racist, no.

 

[Hampster Gull]

Difficult for anyone to shine in that forum but i think dave and red ed didnt do themselves too much favour with their stance with each other. Enabled sturgeon totake the moral high ground.

 

[Prince Monolulu]

If the other Parties are in any doubt regarding their strength, fear ye not. The Tories will always have to bring out Gove at some stage

 

[Sheebo]

24 pages on this when it was Premier League Darts Judgement Night in Sky Sports 1 - you should all be ashamed of yourselves

 

[Seagull1989]

Umm.. Wrong term being used here..Xenophobic, possibly. Racist, no.

True! I stand corrected

 

[Machiavelli]

1. Miliband -- to think that he was written off
2. Sturgeon -- she's articulate and gave a very distinctive message that wasn't partisan to the Scottish
3. Clegg -- he's good at this sort of thing
4. surprise, surprise Bennett -- really turned things around
5. Cameron -- wooden and hasn't got a message to give going forward
6. Farage -- oh dear Nigel, the bookies and NSC thought you'd win; how narrow, and missed his big moment, watch UKIP fall in the polls ... which is good news for Cameron
7. Wood -- just spoke to the Welsh, and didn't really do that terribly well

Overall, this wasn't a good night for the right. For once, there was an event in which there were more left-wing voices than those from the right and, all of a sudden, there's a different dominant narrative.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

The big question is whether English voters who were impressed with Nicola Sturgeon thought that that Miliband performed better than Cameron - because that won't be reflected in the YouGov poll.

Spot on

 

[cunning fergus]

I agree with his point on health tourism as a whole but thought focusing particularly on HIV, where people are still discrimanated against , was insensitive

But it is a fact.

Professor Merion Thomas from the Royal Marsden's Oncology Dept stated the following in a parliamentary committee on the subject of health tourism.

"There are problem hospitals. You could look at those specific hospitals by speciality and by nationality. For example, some hospitals are targeted for maternity tourism, which is probably one of the biggest problems in London. We would need to look at, say, two or three dialysis units to look at who is having dialysis. That would not be a difficult thing to do, if the motivation and commitment were there to do it, but we have not done that.

We need to look at some HIV units and see who is having HIV treatment, especially since the changing of the rule on 1 October 2012, after which anyone coming into this country can have free HIV treatment. One of the scary, scary, scary statistics I have uncovered recently is that, in London, we spend twice as much on anti-HIV treatment as we do on anti-cancer chemotherapy. That is a very scary statistic."

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201314/cmpublic/immigration/131029/am/131029s01.htm

We should digest that statement whenever the state of the NHS is held up as being in crisis.............twice as much money spent on HIV than chemotherapy in London.

If a professor of oncology is raising that to a parliamentary committee and people are worried about it being insensitive we are doomed.

 

[Machiavelli]

But it is a fact.

Professor Merion Thomas from the Royal Marsden's Oncology Dept stated the following in a parliamentary committee on the subject of health tourism.

"There are problem hospitals. You could look at those specific hospitals by speciality and by nationality. For example, some hospitals are targeted for maternity tourism, which is probably one of the biggest problems in London. We would need to look at, say, two or three dialysis units to look at who is having dialysis. That would not be a difficult thing to do, if the motivation and commitment were there to do it, but we have not done that.

We need to look at some HIV units and see who is having HIV treatment, especially since the changing of the rule on 1 October 2012, after which anyone coming into this country can have free HIV treatment. One of the scary, scary, scary statistics I have uncovered recently is that, in London, we spend twice as much on anti-HIV treatment as we do on anti-cancer chemotherapy. That is a very scary statistic."

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201314/cmpublic/immigration/131029/am/131029s01.htm

We should digest that statement whenever the state of the NHS is held up as being in crisis.............twice as much money spent on HIV than chemotherapy in London.

If a professor of oncology is raising that to a parliamentary committee and people are worried about it being insensitive we are doomed.

Yawn, Fergus. And not very cunning, too. The fact that one person has said this means jack shit. I could find you some other one -- perhaps even a professor of oncology speaking to a parliamentary committee -- saying something very different, even contradictory, yet that wouldn't make it an important point.
Instead, there are figures, consistent figures, that indicate that immigrants contribute far more in taxes than they extract in benefits.

You also miss the fact that an increasing number of those working in the health system are immigrants. You also miss that the UK has an ageing population, requiring more healthcare, and a declining birthrate, thereby requiring an influx of workers to deal with the elderly in need of such healthcare.

 

[cunning fergus]

Yawn, Fergus. And not very cunning, too. The fact that one person has said this means jack shit. I could find you some other one -- perhaps even a professor of oncology speaking to a parliamentary committee -- saying something very different, even contradictory, yet that wouldn't make it an important point.
Instead, there are figures, consistent figures, that indicate that immigrants contribute far more in taxes than they extract in benefits.

You also miss the fact that an increasing number of those working in the health system are immigrants. You also miss that the UK has an ageing population, requiring more healthcare, and a declining birthrate, thereby requiring an influx of workers to deal with the elderly in need of such healthcare.

So, let's get this right, you think the views of a Professor of Oncology from a lLondon hospital, made before a parliamentary committee are worth "jack shit"?

You can prove his assessment is wrong too...........fine be my guest, I will look forward to being disabused by your tome of counter evidence?

You know of course that you have already been hoisted by your own petard...........tell me more about the UK's declining birth rate?

I was of the view that we are in the midst of an unprecedented boom, courtesy of the very immigrants who we rely on to work in the NHS, who never use it...............oh the irony.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...rth-rate-leaps-by-18-in-a-decade-9107483.html

I like you Machiavelli you're fun.