Lord Bracknell
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As I said earlier, that's not how I've ever perceived the attitude of Cliffe Bonfire Society members to me or any other Catholic or ex-Catholic members of the society.
And I haven't lost my nose for anti-catholicism.
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And I haven't lost my nose for anti-catholicism.
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I don't think the Cliffe Bonfire Society are anti Catholic. I was just wondering after hearing the views of Ann Widdecombe. Whether Catholics outside of the society could percieve it to be so
Lord Bracknell
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Without a doubt, many do. As do many protestant sectarians who don't take the trouble to do their homework. Witness Rev Ian Paisley, who I'm sure was surprised to be run out of Lewes a few years back by CBS members who didn't appreciate his planned presence on the fifth.
The theme that runs throughout this thread is this:- Is it right to condemn people on the basis of jumping to conclusions about the songs they sing?
My view is that singing "No surrender ..." doesn't necessarily mean that you're a sectarian. But being a sectarian makes you more likely to enjoy singing "No surrender ... "
It's a song I feel uncomfortable about, simply because it attracts sectarians.
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I thought I had finished with this thread but cannot resist a post in these delicious circumstances.
If I understand the position here; the No Popery banner at Lewes is not an attack on individual Roman Catholics or Popes generally. Instead its an attack on the Roman Catholic faith and the pope who was in charge when the 17 Protestant Martyrs were burned to death in Lewes by Roman Catholics.
That must mean the No Fascism type banners which are rolled out in the myriad of anti-Franco festivals in northern Spain are not directed at Fascists generally just an attack on their political ideology of Fascism and Franco?
Someone should tell the old nationalists and Falangists...........they like a glass of Rioja and a dance too!
If I understand the position here; the No Popery banner at Lewes is not an attack on individual Roman Catholics or Popes generally. Instead its an attack on the Roman Catholic faith and the pope who was in charge when the 17 Protestant Martyrs were burned to death in Lewes by Roman Catholics.
That must mean the No Fascism type banners which are rolled out in the myriad of anti-Franco festivals in northern Spain are not directed at Fascists generally just an attack on their political ideology of Fascism and Franco?
Someone should tell the old nationalists and Falangists...........they like a glass of Rioja and a dance too!
Lord Bracknell
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I don't know as much about anti-fascism in Spain as I do about anti-fascism in Italy. But my recollection of anti-fascists in Italy in the early seventies is that, for the most part, they came on to the streets for one of two reasons.
The first was to commemorate their own exploits in the partisan war against Mussolini and Hitler. The second was to oppose the activities of what they perceived as a new generation of neo-fascists.
There were very few public expressions of hostility towards individuals who had been supporters of Mussolini but who had subsequently accepted that the ideology had been defeated. The reason why that was so? Simple. It was time to move on.
I perceive the same realisation applying in Northern Ireland a decade after the Good Friday Agreement.
The first was to commemorate their own exploits in the partisan war against Mussolini and Hitler. The second was to oppose the activities of what they perceived as a new generation of neo-fascists.
There were very few public expressions of hostility towards individuals who had been supporters of Mussolini but who had subsequently accepted that the ideology had been defeated. The reason why that was so? Simple. It was time to move on.
I perceive the same realisation applying in Northern Ireland a decade after the Good Friday Agreement.
house your seagull
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we don't, it was a shit post i put up, i put a stupid title on it.
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Sorry! Whatever the weather, it won't stop me buying TSLR. Made the journey back from Southend, most enjoyable. Keep up the good work.
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Talking of Catholics, I presume that being an intelligent observer of things on the Right you're aware that your old teenage ideolgical fuhrer and 15 year old Bulldog editor Joe Pearce has now converted to Catholicism, calls himself 'Joseph' and has distanced himself (to sneers on 'Stormfront' site) from all raising of the right arm (though personally I'm not sure whether this is not simply a career move to get the grants/work from the prestigious university which is employing him)
I found this out in a most amusing way. I ordered a biography of the great Sussex poet and controversialist Hilaire Belloc I'd not read, written by 'Joseph Pearce'. Given the rather ridiculous attempts by some on the Right to claim HB and his distributism for their own - you may be among them if you're a Third Positionist now - the thought did cross my mind that it might be him, but I laughed! I must say I was gobsmacked when I got it. Well researched, superbly written. A long way from Bulldog, anyway. Or 'Skrewdriver' - The First Ten Years' for that matter....
I really am getting distracted here. I'm an Albion fan, and this is an Albion site. This will be my last post. SEAGULLS!
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i know what unit hants seagull was in and it wasnt one that that was patrolling hard republican areas, whereas the one I was in on MY multiple tours of northern ireland was,I was eighteen years of age in crossmaglen when we had to try and give first aid to a young squaddie who had been blown up by a car bomb, his whole body looked like a beefburger, he had no hair , eyes or ears, we couldnt get a drip in him because his blood was boiling, i think it was probably for the best that he died two weeks later, so i wont be lectured by people like you who get "offended" by people singing a song, perhaps they should get " offended" by the bastards who carried out some of these f***ing atrocities, i personally wouldnt sing it as it has nothing to do with football, but i would love to see some of these people mouthing off about what would happen if they tried to sing it in belfast ,try to express the same sort of sentiments at a glasgow rangers match.
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why is that ? enlighten me ?
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that post was so long ago that I honestly can't remember
It's football, it's not real life. So sing your songs about No Surrender if you wish to show your somewhat skewed views of patriotism. Scousers feel free to celebrate the death of Matt Busby and his boys, and United fans celebrate Hillsborough if you so desire, West Ham cheer about Belsen when playing Spurs.
But don't whine like a bitch when someone else sings something that you don't like either, fellow arse bandits.
But don't whine like a bitch when someone else sings something that you don't like either, fellow arse bandits.
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With respect, (and I DO mean that), I don't think you can call it a 'f***ing atrocity' unless you also accept that every IRA Volunteer killed by the British Army was also an atrocity. It was a war, and soldiers dying horrible deaths in ambushes is what happens in wars - that's why most sane people deplore them. Given what you've seen I'm surprised that you aren't sickened by people who've never even heard a gun go off gloryfying the conflict, regardless of what side they claim to support.
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to be honest i dont pay much attention to them, i am neither for or against them , i think it is a little bit silly perhaps , but what annoys me more is the self righteous tossers who condemn them who wouldnt dream of saying anything about the sectarian songs or flags and banners of celtic "fans", but have no problem slagging rangers for the same thing. naive idiots is the word gerry adams used to describe the likes of blair and that treacherous bitch mowlam, these people fall into that category.
To a large extent I agree with you. I used to get a bit exasperated with my fellow lefties back in the seventies who would make themselves jump through all sorts of torturous ideological hoops to try and prove that Irish nationalism was 'good' but British nationalism was 'bad' whereas it was self evident that they were two identical sides of the same coin.
It's like explaining to non-football fans that there's a difference between us and Man U fans. After all we support a little team fighting against the odds whereas they support a big American conglomerate, of course there's a difference! To the non-football fan though it's just a silly game.
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Haven't heard that story. Do tell - genuinely interested!
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Pictures in Saturday's programme...
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Yes, so am I. Especially as Fr Blake, parish priest of the St Mary Magdalene RC Church, North St, Brighton seems to think that Mr Paisley "is often present" at the event (his words, not mine).