[Misc] Who on here has been to walk past the Queen's coffin?

[Bakero]

So for all your piss and wind on here about the UK’s deep structural inequality personified by the monarchy, when it actually comes down to what you would replace them with, you offer this……..

it’s one thing telling everyone that we would be fairer if only we twist and not stick, if you can’t explain what the change means you and you fellow sixth form revolutionaries will simply remain a noisy irrelevance.

Like I said, the Irish system seems fine to me. Am I missing any glaring flaws?

 

[shingle]

A couple more. I took nearly a thousand pics during the afternoon.

 

[cunning fergus]

Like I said, the Irish system seems fine to me. Am I missing any glaring flaws?

How does it work?

Do candidates need to fund themselves or are taxpayers sponsoring campaign costs and/or expenses? If the former we would be looking at only wealthy candidates?

Are nominations for president subject to Parliamentary nominations? If they are then we essentially have a political President by proxy, not someone without any political allegiance. At the moment the monarchy is and should be politically neutral.

 

[Bakero]

How does it work?

Do candidates need to fund themselves or are taxpayers sponsoring campaign costs and/or expenses? If the former we would be looking at only wealthy candidates?

Are nominations for president subject to Parliamentary nominations? If they are then we essentially have a political President by proxy, not someone without any political allegiance. At the moment the monarchy is and should be politically neutral.

These are all things that would have to be decided should we one day decide to join the modern world.

Whatever the system and whatever its faults, I imagine it'd be preferable to falling from the royal clunge.

 

[pb21]

I think I would do, but only if the queue was less than an hour or so.

 

[PeterT]

I've been in Westminster Hall quite a lot of times, and then into the committee rooms and corridors. I'm interested in how the queue arrives at the back of the hall - do you wind your way through the corridors of the HoP, or is there some sort of quick entrance? Fascinating place to be in.



Yes - if I were nearer London I would have gone to do that myself. Have you posted any online?

You arrive top right of the stairs in this picture so no going through the corridors, literally the hall is the only part of the building you go into

 

[nicko31]

I’m not being facetious but a genuine question; What is the reason people feel the urge to to and see the coffin? I really don’t get it.

There’s something slightly medieval about it and of course there didn’t need to be a queue at all, everyone could have been given a time slot

Instead we witness subtle manipulation, in creating it the whole thing has become much more of a spectacle.

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

There’s something slightly medieval about it and of course there didn’t need to be a queue at all, everyone could have been given a time slot

Instead we witness subtle manipulation, in creating it the whole thing has become much more of a spectacle.

A time slot? I pity the person who’d have to organise that. Ripe for disaster and hideous Daily Mail headlines.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

 

[Bakero]

A time slot? I pity the person who’d have to organise that. Ripe for disaster and hideous Daily Mail headlines.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Why? Time slots worked at mass vaccination centres. Surely preferable to standing in The Queue for 14 hours but much less of a spectacle.

 

[cunning fergus]

These are all things that would have to be decided should we one day decide to join the modern world.

Whatever the system and whatever its faults, I imagine it'd be preferable to falling from the royal clunge.

This makes total sense to me, you have all the detailed questions and answers for what you don’t want, but are far less clear minded on the facts for what you do want.

Instead of you providing reassurance on your considered vision for the U.K. post monarchy, we are just relying on your imagination and inability to stand by what you say without having to change it by editing. A standard behaviour for some of your fellow travellers.

If there is a debate to be had about changing the head of state in this country, you are certainly not part of the solution.

 

[Bakero]

As has been pointed out, over the last 100 years society has improved massively. Women have the vote, are not confined to looking after the home and children.
Many more people are going to university.

100 years ago my family with the exception of my grandfather who worked in a bakery, were farm agriculture workers. Extremely poor. My Dad left school at 14, joined the RN at 15 and got an education becoming a qualified electrician. I went to a Grammar School, my daughter went to university. Both her and my son did the Duke of Edinburgh award schemesright through to gold. He is now in charge of 5 fire stations.
Life has improved under the various monarchs.

As I said before, politicians are the people who make or break society, not monarchy.

This makes total sense to me, you have all the detailed questions and answers for what you don’t want, but are far less clear minded on the facts for what you do want.

Instead of you providing reassurance on your considered vision for the U.K. post monarchy, we are just relying on your imagination and inability to stand by what you say without having to change it by editing. A standard behaviour for some of your fellow travellers.

If there is a debate to be had about changing the head of state in this country, you are certainly not part of the solution.

I'm sorry, I didn't realise I would be in charge of implementing the new regime. As I said before, something akin to the Irish system makes sense to me. I'd go along with what Republic suggest https://www.republic.org.uk/a_new_head_of_state

ps. the only edit I made was to remove an errant apostrophe that I spotted upon opening the thread this morning.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

There’s something slightly medieval about it and of course there didn’t need to be a queue at all, everyone could have been given a time slot

Instead we witness subtle manipulation, in creating it the whole thing has become much more of a spectacle.

People are paying respect of their own free will. Who are you to suggest they are being manipulated?
Other people have different opinions, with which you don’t agree, but that doesn’t give you the right to accuse them of being manipulated like children.

As someone once said, I don’t agree with you, but I defend your right to say it.

 

[Grizz]

Went yesterday, took 11.5 hours and it was nice to have an opportunity to pay our respects, not only from us, but for our parents who couldn't do the wait. It was emotional, but also live affirming, chatting to people either side of us in the queue, we had a good laugh, reminisced, listened to each others stories, it was genuinely lovely. Absolutely worth it.

 

[The Clamp]

Why not go and sign a book of condolence in one’s local church? Quiet, dignified, unwitnessed. Much more in keeping with her Majesty’s own approach to life.

I popped along to Mary De Haura. Lit a candle for a life lost, on behalf of my late Mum who loved the royal family. Read some of the messages, put a donation in the wall-box. It was lovely. Took 15 mins with a sit down in the stillness to think about the change her death has brought about.

But I’ve never been a fan of public mourning or outpourings of grief.

Each to their own. I hope those that went got what they wanted from it.

 

[The Clamp]

A true life of service



https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/22125569.newhaven-rnli-fire-brigade-remember-volunteer-funeral/

 

[cunning fergus]

I'm sorry, I didn't realise I would be in charge of implementing the new regime. As I said before, something akin to the Irish system makes sense to me. I'd go along with what Republic suggest https://www.republic.org.uk/a_new_head_of_state

ps. the only edit I made was to remove an errant apostrophe that I spotted upon opening the thread this morning.

This is a football fan forum for BHA, no one on here with strongly held views on BHA will manage or play for them, however if they express strong views then they should expect challenge when people disagree.

This thread is about those who have paid tribute the the Queen whilst lying in state, you and others are posting views about that, you are also expressing a strongly held view that we should move to a republican model such as that in place in Ireland.

That’s fine, but what can you tell us about that model, who pays for the campaigns, who gets nominated, how long are they in office, who nominates them, are those lined up going to be ex politicians (like Mary Robinson and Mary Mcaluse) and bring a political dimension to the head of state in the U.K. for the first time since Cromwell? If you can’t answer simple questions like this you need to think before posting.

Or at the Amex do you say to your Dad, “we should play in red shirts like Man Utd” and then have nothing to back it up when Dad sighs, why’s that son? “Don’t ask me Dad, I’m not the manager am I”.

Otherwise you just another empty vessel firing off views you haven’t thought through……..the edit function helps with that doesn’t it?

 

[Bakero]

That’s fine, but what can you tell us about that model, who pays for the campaigns, who gets nominated, how long are they in office, who nominates them, are those lined up going to be ex politicians (like Mary Robinson and Mary Mcaluse) and bring a political dimension to the head of state in the U.K. for the first time since Cromwell?

Any citizen over the age of 30, campaign spending capped at a million pounds, no former MPs allowed.

These are my initial suggestions not cast iron rules. I'd rather a balloon with a face on it than another Windsor though.

 

[A1X]

Personally as someone who makes a pilgrimage every other week to watch 22 men kick a ball about for a bit with many like-minded people, I wouldn’t dream of criticising people who are making a pilgrimage to meet with like-minded people and do something for themselves. I was in London the weekend immediately after she died and I might have thought about it had I been there, but was unable to this one.

 

[Wardy's twin]

The entire world’s become, relatively speaking, very unfair economically over the last 25 years. Look at all the oligarchs who settled in the UK between 1997 and 2010, appropriating Soviet industries by luck, then worth £10b’s, paying next to no tax anywhere. In the UK it’s goes way beyond a few posh people with old money. There are countless new billionaires and millionaires who’ve paid minimal tax. The Panama, Swiss and Liechtenstein leaked documents revealed 10,000’s of tax cheating incredibly wealthy folk living in France, UK and Germany, illegally paying next to no tax. Until then we didn’t know the names, they were craftily out of the public gaze.

You’ll disagree I’m sure, but to me the Windsor’s are a side show.

You are both right and wrong IMO. Right because their money is small compared to others but wrong to discount their importance in maintaining a system which is unfair as they are the figurehead for it. People talk about levelling up and a meritocracy but how can that happen when our head of state is made head because of who he is not what he is.

I don't think you need to be a card carrying socialist to realise that the system is grossly unfair and needs to change and some redistribution of that wealth held by the top 1% will greatly reduce the need for food banks.

 

[South west gull]

Personally as someone who makes a pilgrimage every other week to watch 22 men kick a ball about for a bit with many like-minded people, I wouldn’t dream of criticising people who are making a pilgrimage to meet with like-minded people and do something for themselves. I was in London the weekend immediately after she died and I might have thought about it had I been there, but was unable to this one.

As they say who are we to say they shouldn't q to see the queen lying in state.

Sent from my Pixel 4a using Tapatalk