Bold Seagull
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Nicky Campbell made that very same point to him.
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Which is the biggest 'Reckless Gamble'?
- Thread starter Jim D
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Nicky Campbell made that very same point to him.
JC Footy Genius
Bringer of TRUTH
- Jun 9, 2015
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So to clarify we have a fully independent ability to use the Trident weapon system.
Currently it is only 6% of the defence budget.
Nuclear weapons were never meant to deter terrorism.
Countries like Germany, Australia, Italy and numerous other countries are happy to rely on Allies who do have Nuclear weapons to help guarantee their security.
Currently it is only 6% of the defence budget.
Nuclear weapons were never meant to deter terrorism.
Countries like Germany, Australia, Italy and numerous other countries are happy to rely on Allies who do have Nuclear weapons to help guarantee their security.
beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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i dont know why people are taken in by this myth at face value, without any evidence, even anecdotal, that we'd need US permission. i also dont know why people think if we were to lose Trident billions would be available, it would be redistibuted to other miltary options. there is an argument on that to be fair. its also not as portrayed, with the headline cost spread over 30 odd years, and overlooks alot of the cash is going into UK industry which is why the unions are in favour.
JC Footy Genius
Bringer of TRUTH
- Jun 9, 2015
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Too much time spent listening to CND or reading the Guardian?
Quite right the cost would be spread over a long period so the headline figure is misleading. There is also no guarantee any savings would even be spent on conventional military forces if we didn't renew.
Retaining a UK independent Nuclear deterrent is essential .
Cheshire Cat
The most curious thing..
As we will never use Trident, it is a complete waste of money. It's only use is continuing the pretence that Britain is still a "great" power - which we ceased to be sometime soon after 1943 when we eventually had to ask the Americans to win the war for us.
It's like having one small pistol compared to the Russian's and American's arsenal of BIG guns.
It's like having one small pistol compared to the Russian's and American's arsenal of BIG guns.
Bold Seagull
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Are the missiles and warheads not made, designed and serviced in the US? Don't the subs spend much of their lives being serviced in the US? While we may not need their permission, it is fair to say the system itself is entirely reliant on the US.
The other thing they don't tell is the renewal is £30bn, but there is a huge decommissioning cost of the existing system, then the running costs of the new system. It is all a bit eye watering for a Cold War weapons system.
Baldseagull
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Maybe if we formed some sort of Union of European Nations, we could share defence spending of this sort. Maybe even have a European Army?
Cheshire Cat
The most curious thing..
You seem to have slept through the last three weeks.
Baldseagull
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I was kind of hoping it was all a bad dream, but sadly I have been wide awake.
My biggest "reckless gamble" will be leaving the WC seat in the "up" position one more time.
- Apr 13, 2015
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No.. we can apply our own thought processes to that decision... it's a myth pushed out by Guardian readers who live in some skewed twilight zone of perpetual rejection of everything and anything that wasn't the brainchild of some Welsh socialist 60 odd years ago..... dinosaurs
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We have been using Polaris & Trident successfully for the past 48 years.
- Apr 13, 2015
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Baldseagull
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It is a bit different, in that we don't see toddlers accidentally nuking their mums, or teenagers nuking their schools.
Bold Seagull
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I'm not sure our active 150 warheads has had much of an impact as a deterrent compared to the US's active 1750 or Russia's 1790.
How many do you need to be a deterrent? One or two well targeted would probably be enough in most cases.
Bold Seagull
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Yes, but if I am about to go into a fight with a small pistol in my hand, is my pistol the deterrent to my would be attackers, or the 100 people stood behind me with AK47s?
Raleigh Chopper
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Right on man, war is no gas.
Don't understand some cats wanting bombs.
Vegetable rights and peace.
Baldseagull
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Trident is more of a snipers rifle, than a pistol. The idea being, no one knows where they are, so they are difficult to take out. It is a good deterrent.