[Music] When is a pop group no longer a group?

[Worthing exile]

Following on from the comment in the Argus calling the Beach Boys a tribute band despite having one founding member (Mike Love) and another (Bruce Johnston) who has been with them since 1965 plus the fact that Brian Wilson and David Marks also tour with them occasionally, at what point does a group stop being THE group? Are Queen still Queen without Freddie Mercury and John Deacon? and could Paul McCartney and Ringo Starr still call themselves the Beatles?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Dr Feelgood. No original members.

 

[Stato]

 

[carlzeiss]

Bucks Fizz still going strong as " The Fizz " with Bobby McVay replacing Bobby G .

 

[studio150]

Deep Purple, Yes, etc revolving door of members

 

[BensGrandad]

I remember going to see The Drifters with Johnnie Moore at Lakeside in Frimley some years ago, but at the same time one of my relatives was in Costa Del Sol watching what was advertised as the original Drifters and I mentioned it to a lady on the next table who was obviously with them and she said that any 1 member from the original group could form a group and use the name., Not sure of that is correct or not.

 

[Gwylan]

Dr Feelgood. No original members.

Ah, the old Ship of Theseus paradox

See also Soft Machine, Thin Lizzy and Yes (and, doubtless, many more)

 

[GT49er]

Roughly I'd say it was about the rule of One. The Rolling Stones replaced Bran Jones (and later replaced his replacement) but carried on being The Stones. The Searchers replaced Tony Jackson at the height of their fame, The Moody Blues replaced Denny Laine and Genesis carried on without Peter Gabriel, Pink Floyd without Sid Barrett, AC/DC without Bon Scott. All fine.
The Who carried on after Moon died, but not really The Who since Entwistle died (one too many to satisfy the rule of One), although Townshend and Daltrey with backing musicians can put on a decent show. Queen managed pretty well with Paul Rodgers fronting them up.

Enough Beach Boys left to make it the real thing? Hmmm....highly dubious, IMHO. And as for McCartney and Ringo going out as The Beatles.......NO f**in' chance!

 

[Pevenseagull]

Ah, the old Ship of Theseus paradox

'Trigger's broom' for the less scholarly.



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Sugarbabes

 

[LANGDON SEAGULL]

There are two Hawkwinds doing the rounds - one with no original members .


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[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Ah, the old Ship of Theseus paradox

See also Soft Machine, Thin Lizzy and Yes (and, doubtless, many more)

No, ta. Saw Soft Machine in 74, and Lizzy in 76. Call me old fashioned but a covers band is a covers band, innit. In other news I have been laughing at Yes since 1971. The tedious topographical twats.

 

[Surf's Up]

No, ta. Saw Soft Machine in 74, and Lizzy in 76. Call me old fashioned but a covers band is a covers band, innit. In other news I have been laughing at Yes since 1971. The tedious topographical twats.

Nice alliteration!!

 

[boik]

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See also TWP - Gedge plus 3-4 others.

 

[sams dad]

The Temptations are still touring with only one original member, Otis Williams, in their lineup.

 

[Papak]

UB40 must be the best example of this paradox.

 

[Not Andy Naylor]

If a band has been continually touring under the same name then surely they can claim to be the same band.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Ah, the old Ship of Theseus paradox

See also Soft Machine, Thin Lizzy and Yes (and, doubtless, many more)

Don’t forget Sugarbabes

 

[marlowe]

Blood Sweat and Tears don't have any original members

 

[Gwylan]

No, ta. Saw Soft Machine in 74,

Hove Town Hall?

They still had one original member then

 

[Stato]

Don’t forget Sugarbabes

If there's no Einar, it ain't the Sugarbabes.