[Politics] What is going on in the world?

[RossyG]

SHIELD like underground bases? You seem well informed.
Is Southwick tunnel the entrance to Hollow Earth?

Ah, you removed the hyphen from the sentence to make the joke work, you cheeky thing! But yes, SHIELD like underground bases.

As for the Southwick Tunnel, let’s just say secret vault and missing FA Cup money and leave it at that. The lizard people might be listening.

 

[Lyndhurst 14]

As usual the Simpsons were way ahead of the curve

 

[Baldseagull]

It's a matter of history, and understanding it. The shadows of the past in Germany are worrying in America today. I'm truly staggered that anybody can fail to see the links.

I can see links to the use of a Big Lie, and other Nazi techniques for manipulation, but not the Reichstag Fire.

Maybe I am misunderstanding history, or you, so forgive me if I have got something wrong.

The Reichstag Fire was used by the recently installed Chancellor, Adolf Hitler, to gain further power and lock up opposing voices, nameley communists, but anyone critical of the Nazi's in the end, and ultimately led to the Nazi party having complete control of the country.

The Capitol attack, a losing President, voted out of office, shoots himself in the foot by being seen by the entire world whipping up a mob to take direct action against the democratic process of formally accepting his replacement, leading to an impeachment that will hopefully see him stripped of the right to run again in four years time.

Have I got this wrong?

 

[Weststander]

Yes , but there will be a day when he will have the last laugh . Or perhaps not , he'll be dead the with the rest of us .

A spiritualist, the Doris Stokes of Hove, he was comfortable with that.

He’d join Geronimo and Red Cloud in Shangri-La.

Apparently.

 

[GT49er]

I can see links to the use of a Big Lie, and other Nazi techniques for manipulation, but not the Reichstag Fire.

Maybe I am misunderstanding history, or you, so forgive me if I have got something wrong.

The Reichstag Fire was used by the recently installed Chancellor, Adolf Hitler, to gain further power and lock up opposing voices, nameley communists, but anyone critical of the Nazi's in the end, and ultimately led to the Nazi party having complete control of the country.

The Capitol attack, a losing President, voted out of office, shoots himself in the foot by being seen by the entire world whipping up a mob to take direct action against the democratic process of formally accepting his replacement, leading to an impeachment that will hopefully see him stripped of the right to run again in four years time.

Have I got this wrong?

Broadly yes, you have. It's the attack on the almost sacred centre of government in both cases that is significant, both instigated by a far right dangerous person with the aim of gaining/regaining power.

 

[Crispy Ambulance]

Fun fact about Icke, the lady that set him down the lizard people road was based in Hassocks and that’s where he met her.

Hassocks Home of the Lizard people.

If it's the same woman, she was doing a stretch for defrauding a vulnerable pensioner in Bexhill. Her house was full of photos of Icke!

 

[vegster]

I can see links to the use of a Big Lie, and other Nazi techniques for manipulation, but not the Reichstag Fire.

Maybe I am misunderstanding history, or you, so forgive me if I have got something wrong.

The Reichstag Fire was used by the recently installed Chancellor, Adolf Hitler, to gain further power and lock up opposing voices, nameley communists, but anyone critical of the Nazi's in the end, and ultimately led to the Nazi party having complete control of the country.

The Capitol attack, a losing President, voted out of office, shoots himself in the foot by being seen by the entire world whipping up a mob to take direct action against the democratic process of formally accepting his replacement, leading to an impeachment that will hopefully see him stripped of the right to run again in four years time.

Have I got this wrong?

" The more things change, the more they stay the same "

 

[Weststander]

I can see links to the use of a Big Lie, and other Nazi techniques for manipulation, but not the Reichstag Fire.

Maybe I am misunderstanding history, or you, so forgive me if I have got something wrong.

The Reichstag Fire was used by the recently installed Chancellor, Adolf Hitler, to gain further power and lock up opposing voices, nameley communists, but anyone critical of the Nazi's in the end, and ultimately led to the Nazi party having complete control of the country.

The Capitol attack, a losing President, voted out of office, shoots himself in the foot by being seen by the entire world whipping up a mob to take direct action against the democratic process of formally accepting his replacement, leading to an impeachment that will hopefully see him stripped of the right to run again in four years time.

Have I got this wrong?

I think arrogant Trump is comfortable just now, although devastated by the loss of the top job.

He’s has tens of millions of Q Anon, KKK and gun lobby loons in his hands. About to reek 4 years of hell on any moderate Republican congressmen and state officials, assassinations possible.

He has $200m in the bank, which he largely didn’t use to fight results in the end. Which he’ll use for hookers and for causing mischief.

Until he’s 6’ under or eating through a straw in a care home, sadly he’s here to stay, to screw the US and if he got his wish the planet.

Remember too that there’s his awful family.

 

[Baldseagull]

Broadly yes, you have. It's the attack on the almost sacred centre of government in both cases that is significant, both instigated by a far right dangerous person with the aim of gaining/regaining power.

Significant to you, but I did not think Reichstag Fire when I saw the rioters in the Capitol, and until you posted it here, I had not heard of anyone who had, despite quite a lot of press coverage and discussion. But thanks for explaining your reasoning, I was a bit worried you were suggesting it was a false flag attack by the democrats to gain powers to lock up anyone in a MAGA hat, shut down Fox News and ban Rush Limbaugh from broadcasting.

 

[beorhthelm]

Have I got this wrong?

not really. its too easy to make comparisons to 1930's Germany, which overlooks that he's not really that clever. Trump is a massive narcissist but doesnt really have an agenda or ideology beyond promoting his own ego. its all about him, winning for the sake of winning, there's no grand plan.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

not really. its too easy to make comparisons to 1930's Germany, which overlooks that he's not really that clever. Trump is a massive narcissist but doesnt really have an agenda or ideology beyond promoting his own ego. its all about him, winning for the sake of winning, there's no grand plan.

Indeed ... quite a bit of difference between the contents of 'The Art of the Deal' and 'Mein Kampf'

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

It's a matter of history, and understanding it. The shadows of the past in Germany are worrying in America today. I'm truly staggered that anybody can fail to see the links.

Nobody sees it because it's nothing a like.

Take for example the Industrielleneingabe in 1932, that was when nineteen representatives of industry, finance, and agriculture in 1932, requested that the President of Germany Paul von Hindenburg make Adolf Hitler the Chancellor of Germany.

Compare that to now when the opposite is happening with Trump and similar influential people to the above are stepping away from him, not creating a powerful support group behind him.

If anything all this will do is give the incoming government more power to change the Patriot Act to expand their powers and turn them into more like a Stasi outfit than anything else, spying on its citizens without a warrant needed(which they already do).

 

[Baldseagull]

I think arrogant Trump is comfortable just now, although devastated by the loss of the top job.

He’s has tens of millions of Q Anon, KKK and gun lobby loons in his hands. About to reek 4 years of hell on any moderate Republican congressmen and state officials, assassinations possible.

He has $200m in the bank, which he largely didn’t use to fight results in the end. Which he’ll use for hookers and for causing mischief.

Until he’s 6’ under or eating through a straw in a care home, sadly he’s here to stay, to screw the US and if he got his wish the planet.

Remember too that there’s his awful family.

I think a lot of that cash is destined for campaign debts, that is what was in the small print of the appeal apparently. I am hoping that once he is cut adrift from the Republican Party, and he is out of office, he will find himself in a few expensive legal battles.

 

[Weststander]

not really. its too easy to make comparisons to 1930's Germany, which overlooks that he's not really that clever. Trump is a massive narcissist but doesnt really have an agenda or ideology beyond promoting his own ego. its all about him, winning for the sake of winning, there's no grand plan.

If only it was just about Trump.

75m people find him an attractive political bet, just 22% of Republicans believe the result was true and fair. Beyond Trump, there’s the younger members of the family clan waiting in the wings to tap into the 75m with continued racism, lies and misinformation. Stoking up hate, encouraging the owners of automatic weapons.

The agenda, nonsense to us, is on Q Anon, Fox News and Facebook. Hordes lap it up, hook, line and sinker.

 

[GT49er]

Significant to you, but I did not think Reichstag Fire when I saw the rioters in the Capitol, and until you posted it here, I had not heard of anyone who had, despite quite a lot of press coverage and discussion. But thanks for explaining your reasoning, I was a bit worried you were suggesting it was a false flag attack by the democrats to gain powers to lock up anyone in a MAGA hat, shut down Fox News and ban Rush Limbaugh from broadcasting.

I think you overthought and over complicated my original comments, although you are right of course that Hitler did try to pretend it wasn't his lot who burnt the Reichstag. It was though his brownshirts though, just as it was Trumps goons last week in Washington.

 

[GT49er]

Nobody sees it because it's nothing a like.

Take for example the Industrielleneingabe in 1932, that was when nineteen representatives of industry, finance, and agriculture in 1932, requested that the President of Germany Paul von Hindenburg make Adolf Hitler the Chancellor of Germany.

Compare that to now when the opposite is happening with Trump and similar influential people to the above are stepping away from him, not creating a powerful support group behind him.

I'm relieved to learn from you that Trump isn't creating a powerful group behind him, 2/3 of Republicans (although maybe some with cold feet), the brave boys or whatever they're called plus his army of gun-toting hicks from thicksville in the mid-west who really believe he won the election and that the Democrats, CNN and the Washington Post etc. are commies out to destroy 'democratic' America.

If anything all this will do is give the incoming government more power to change the Patriot Act to expand their powers and turn them into more like a Stasi outfit than anything else, spying on its citizens without a warrant needed(which they already do).

Yeh, right ......................

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

I'm relieved to learn from you that Trump isn't creating a powerful group behind him, 2/3 of Republicans (although maybe some with cold feet), the brave boys or whatever they're called plus his army of gun-toting hicks from thicksville in the mid-west who really believe he won the election and that the Democrats, CNN and the Washington Post etc. are commies out to destroy 'democratic' America.


Yeh, right ......................

And on the other side the world's largest and most advanced military on the planet. I'm sure they can hold the gun toting hicks off.

They'll have the green light now to conduct another WACO if need be.

The US has been funding and coordinating insurrections in foreign nations for a long time now. Plenty of experience in how to deal with them.

Not that this was an insurrection. Was nothing like a Bay of Pigs moment.

Given the FBI had prior knowledge this could happen it's funny how they did zero to beef up security don't you think?


The fact you simply say yeah right shows you know nothing about the Patriot Act.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Boggles the mind why with this information and the climate as it was that they did nothing.

 

[GT49er]

And on the other side the world's largest and most advanced military on the planet. I'm sure they can hold the gun toting hicks off.

They'll have the green light now to conduct another WACO if need be.

The US has been funding and coordinating insurrections in foreign nations for a long time now. Plenty of experience in how to deal with them.

Not that this was an insurrection. Was nothing like a Bay of Pigs moment.

Given the FBI had prior knowledge this could happen it's funny how they did zero to beef up security don't you think?


The fact you simply say yeah right shows you know nothing about the Patriot Act.

My 'yeh, right' carried considerably more nuance than that. Now, before this gets sillier, or bombs into the bear pit, I'm out.
Attack on the reichstag by brownshirts, attack in the capital by good ole boys from la la land with tin foil hats and guns ............ be very careful, America, and afraid.

 

[carlzeiss]

Significant to you, but I did not think Reichstag Fire when I saw the rioters in the Capitol, and until you posted it here, I had not heard of anyone who had, despite quite a lot of press coverage and discussion. But thanks for explaining your reasoning, I was a bit worried you were suggesting it was a false flag attack by the democrats to gain powers to lock up anyone in a MAGA hat, shut down Fox News and ban Rush Limbaugh from broadcasting.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...st-egged-mob-siege-Capitol-released-bail.html

BLM activist who was armed with a knife and egged on mob during siege of the Capitol is freed on bail despite prosecution pleading for him to remain behind bars arguing he 'thrives on chaos'

John Earle Sullivan, 26, entered the Capitol Building during the siege last Wednesday
The left-wing activist, who has previously participated in Black Lives Matter demonstrations, claimed he was simply documenting the event on his phone
He was interviewed by Anderson Cooper on CNN afterward, where it was implied that he was passively observing the situation as it unfolded
However, Sullivan was later arrested and charged after video footage appeared to show him inciting rioters
He made his first court appearance on Friday after being detained in Utah; he was released on bail under strict conditions
Sullivan is already facing rioting and criminal mischief charges 'stemming from a Black Lives Matter protest in Utah last year', Rolling Stone reports

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJCnXDT1wp0