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Western road murder



Mr deez

Masterchef
Jan 13, 2005
3,543
Western road been closed for most of the day as a young chap was pushed under the wheels of a lorry during a brawl.

If there's a thread already, please point me in the right direction!
 




glasfryn

cleaning up cat sick
Nov 29, 2005
20,261
somewhere in Eastbourne
sorry to ask this
but what was a lorry doing on Western Road?
 






glasfryn

cleaning up cat sick
Nov 29, 2005
20,261
somewhere in Eastbourne






symyjym

Banned
Nov 2, 2009
13,138
Brighton / Hove actually
Sounds pretty messed up. There are two parts to the event.

Police called to stag do 'Stanley knife' brawl near Temple Bar pub in Brighton.

A 30-strong stag party clashed with a group of men on a night out.

One of the stag party was reportedly armed with a Stanley knife, lashing out as part of the brawl.
http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/14417365.Police_called_to_stag_do__Stanley_knife__brawl_near_pub/

Police launch murder investigation after man hit by lorry

Police have launched a murder investigation after a man was hit by a lorry after a fight.
http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/1441..._murder_investigation_after_man_hit_by_lorry/
 


Lady Whistledown

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jul 7, 2003
47,641
Sounds pretty messed up. There are two parts to the event.

Police called to stag do 'Stanley knife' brawl near Temple Bar pub in Brighton.

A 30-strong stag party clashed with a group of men on a night out.

One of the stag party was reportedly armed with a Stanley knife, lashing out as part of the brawl.
http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/14417365.Police_called_to_stag_do__Stanley_knife__brawl_near_pub/

Police launch murder investigation after man hit by lorry

Police have launched a murder investigation after a man was hit by a lorry after a fight.
http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/1441..._murder_investigation_after_man_hit_by_lorry/




Presume the bit where it says "No one was arrested and we have no record of a knife being used. We are not linking this to the later incident currently being investigated as a murder." and the second one reading "Police do not believe the two incidents are linked" passed you by then.
 




Acker79

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NSC Patron
Nov 15, 2008
31,921
Brighton
Sounds pretty messed up. There are two parts to the event.

Police called to stag do 'Stanley knife' brawl near Temple Bar pub in Brighton.

A 30-strong stag party clashed with a group of men on a night out.

One of the stag party was reportedly armed with a Stanley knife, lashing out as part of the brawl.
http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/14417365.Police_called_to_stag_do__Stanley_knife__brawl_near_pub/

Police launch murder investigation after man hit by lorry

Police have launched a murder investigation after a man was hit by a lorry after a fight.
http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/1441..._murder_investigation_after_man_hit_by_lorry/

Presume the bit where it says "No one was arrested and we have no record of a knife being used. We are not linking this to the later incident currently being investigated as a murder." and the second one reading "Police do not believe the two incidents are linked" passed you by then.

You say that, but only because it's missing the third part of the events. The group of men not part of the stag do were in town to restore the seafront kiosk.

http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/14417287.Historic_Brighton_seafront_kiosk_to_be_restored/?ref=mr&lp=8

You'll not see anything in that article denying it's linked to those two events.
 


glasfryn

cleaning up cat sick
Nov 29, 2005
20,261
somewhere in Eastbourne
Cars and lorries can use Western Road west of Montpellier Road.

sorry again its me I always think of Western Road as from the clock tower to montpellier
 


BensGrandad

New member
Jul 13, 2003
72,015
Haywards Heath
I would think that if the person was killed by the lorry the defence will be that it should be either manslaughter or unlawful killing not murder as stated, unless he was deliberately thrown in front of the lorry. Probably the police start at murder and reduce it as they go.
 












Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
I would think that if the person was killed by the lorry the defence will be that it should be either manslaughter or unlawful killing not murder as stated, unless he was deliberately thrown in front of the lorry. Probably the police start at murder and reduce it as they go.

The police don't start with anything apart from the arrest. It's up to the CPS to look at the evidence and decide the charge.
 


The Wizard

Well-known member
Jul 2, 2009
18,401
I would think that if the person was killed by the lorry the defence will be that it should be either manslaughter or unlawful killing not murder as stated, unless he was deliberately thrown in front of the lorry. Probably the police start at murder and reduce it as they go.

Think you're getting a little ahead of yourself don't you? At this point no details are known.

What a awful incident though, feel not only for his family but also for those that had to witness it, pretty horrendous.
 


Buzzer

Languidly Clinical
Oct 1, 2006
26,121
I would think that if the person was killed by the lorry the defence will be that it should be either manslaughter or unlawful killing not murder as stated, unless he was deliberately thrown in front of the lorry. Probably the police start at murder and reduce it as they go.

I would think they do no such thing. You can't start an investigation like that. You'l just end up making the evidence fit your theory rather than the other way around.
 






Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
Wrong. The police arrest them on a holding charge in this case murder and when the evidence is revealed it is only then that CPS are involved.

Suspicion of murder. The police have to ring for advice on the charge, except for traffic and minor theft/drugcharges. There are duty lawyers 24/7.
 


Mr deez

Masterchef
Jan 13, 2005
3,543
One news website is suggesting the guy was pushed, but they may be guessing.
 


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