Well done Eric Pickles

[GOM]

I thought the over righteous fat **** had finally done something useful & died

You are not a very nice person. You may not like him but wishing somebody dead is not clever or nice

 

[The Clamp]

Judging by some of the comments from the usual suspects on here it's not so much the elimination of electoral fraud they'd like to see but the chance to to force Foreigners to show ID. Exactly the sort of thing people of a certain mindset would relish.
A very slippery slope, that kind of thinking.

I cannot recall one comment on here raising concerns about electoral fraud but when it makes the news and in the thinly veiled context that Muslims are trying to take over your community by rigging votes, suddenly the mob are up in arms.

The same kind of puppetry, preying on the weak minded and easily influenced, that saw the referendum **** up so badly.

 

[Boys 9d]

When I'm challenged in a supermarket buying alcohol, I show my OAP Bus Pass which has my photo. If these can be obtained free, why not an ID Card.

 

[Dick Swiveller]

I thought the over righteous fat **** had finally done something useful

Has as far as I am concerned. Ensured that the rest if you are plugging the £50 million pension gap for me and my previous work colleagues. Not that he would ever take credit for it though - he is modest enough to just take credit for the savings of getting rid of a "quango". Does a lot of good work in wasting tax payers money - much more than privatising will save - doesn't like to talk about it, mate.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Judging by some of the comments from the usual suspects on here it's not so much the elimination of electoral fraud they'd like to see but the chance to to force Foreigners to show ID. Exactly the sort of thing people of a certain mindset would relish.
A very slippery slope, that kind of thinking.

I cannot recall one comment on here raising concerns about electoral fraud but when it makes the news and in the thinly veiled context that Muslims are trying to take over your community by rigging votes, suddenly the mob are up in arms.

The same kind of puppetry, preying on the weak minded and easily influenced, that saw the referendum **** up so badly.

Plenty of people on here saying they have always wondered at the potential for fraudulent voting. I can remember talking about it with my wife after we voted in 2015 as we walked out of the polling station. I guess though that both sides in the never ending race debate will dig heels in and use it for their own ends. Such a shame that the very simple concept of proving identity (one that we use in many areas of our lives) to vote gets lost to the race debate.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I'm not sure that your passport would be sufficient as it is not a proof of address. You would also need to produce something like recent utility bills etc. ID cards are more convenient because they contain proof of identity, address and national insurance number (or local equivalent) because you have already produced these documents when issued with the card. You are effectively already passing all of the information contained in an ID card but in an inconvenient manner. In countries with ID cards all that is needed is the card.

This doesn't make any sense though. You're stating the ID card is a single document which contains ID, NI number and your address. So, presumably, to obtain this extra piece of ID you need to provide a proof of address and your NI number. Why not just work with the source documents? To collate all this info into a single card, which will need updating every time something changes, seems an unnecessary additional administrative step. I have had to submit documents before and at no point have I ever felt "showing these 3 documents to T-Mobile is a drag, if only I could go through the exact same process with the government before I then go through the process with T-Mobile my life would be so much better."

Sorry.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Besides, I thought all muslims look the same and are all called Abdul so how will ID benefit?

 

[London Irish]

About time something was done about electoral.fraud

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...show-passports-combat-voter-fraud-vulnerable/

what a crock - no evidence of any fraud it's just a ruse to make it more difficult for people to vote, same stunt as the students and renters knocked off the electoral registration last year by the Tories and then the boundaries redrawn on these bent measures. No surprise our resident fash here is in favour of people not voting

 

[portslade seagull]

In a way we all have an ID anyway which is our national insurance number. Couldn't this be utilised

 

[El Presidente]

No surprise our resident fash here is in favour of people not voting

I'd always wondered what Alf looked like, never had him down for him being a celeb though

 

[alfredmizen]

I'd always wondered what Alf looked like, never had him down for him being a celeb though

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

This doesn't make any sense though. You're stating the ID card is a single document which contains ID, NI number and your address. So, presumably, to obtain this extra piece of ID you need to provide a proof of address and your NI number. Why not just work with the source documents? To collate all this info into a single card, which will need updating every time something changes, seems an unnecessary additional administrative step. I have had to submit documents before and at no point have I ever felt "showing these 3 documents to T-Mobile is a drag, if only I could go through the exact same process with the government before I then go through the process with T-Mobile my life would be so much better."

Sorry.

Fair enough, I actually took your view before I lived in countries with ID cards. I have the opposite experience to you in the U.K as I find it a hassle to keep assembling different combinations of source documents. Doing this once to get an ID card was a lot easier. Updates to address were also easy (similar to the driving license update over here). It does make sense if you think about it although I completely accept that you dont think it's better.

 

[Two Professors]

Judging by some of the comments from the usual suspects on here it's not so much the elimination of electoral fraud they'd like to see but the chance to to force Foreigners to show ID. Exactly the sort of thing people of a certain mindset would relish.
A very slippery slope, that kind of thinking.

I cannot recall one comment on here raising concerns about electoral fraud but when it makes the news and in the thinly veiled context that Muslims are trying to take over your community by rigging votes, suddenly the mob are up in arms.

The same kind of puppetry, preying on the weak minded and easily influenced, that saw the referendum **** up so badly.

And weak-minded liberals start pontificating about subjects they know the sum of sweet-fkall about.How many muslim voters in your constituency?

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

what a crock - no evidence of any fraud it's just a ruse to make it more difficult for people to vote, same stunt as the students and renters knocked off the electoral registration last year by the Tories and then the boundaries redrawn on these bent measures. No surprise our resident fash here is in favour of people not voting

Ok, thank you for clearing that up. I forgot that everything in life is some sort of conspiracy by party political opponents. Next time I am asked for ID when collecting a parcel, applying for a job, speaking to the bank etc I will tell them that they are attempting to exclude me and need to stop asking such questions.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Fair enough, I actually took your view before I lived in countries with ID cards. I have the opposite experience to you in the U.K as I find it a hassle to keep assembling different combinations of source documents. Doing this once to get an ID card was a lot easier. Updates to address were also easy (similar to the driving license update over here). It does make sense if you think about it although I completely accept that you dont think it's better.

"Fair enough"

"although I completely accept you don't think it's better"

You haven't quite got the hang of NSC yet have you?

 

[Brovion]

Surely just a move that disenfranchises the poorest and most vulnerable in society? Photo ID may be fairly cheap but is still not a necessity or within the means of some of the most unfortunate. A NI number is needed to register to vote so it's not as though there are even huge windows for voter fraud, a move that will do more harm than good I reckon

Exactly - and those are precisely the people the Great and the Good want to disenfranchise. The Great and the Good don't mind proles voting so long as the candidates are all members of the political establishment or the proles vote as they've been ordered to. Brexit was a nasty kick in their complacent bollocks and they don't want that happening again. "If voting changed anything they'd abolish it" as we used to say in the 1970s. How right we were.

(Not sure if that point's already been made and I'm certainly not wading through pages of the usual suspects spouting their usual bollocks to try and find out.)

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

"Fair enough"

"although I completely accept you don't think it's better"

You haven't quite got the hang of NSC yet have you?

Indeed and may I be the first to wish you a Frohes neues Jahr !

 

[Leekbrookgull]

Exactly - and those are precisely the people the Great and the Good want to disenfranchise. The Great and the Good don't mind proles voting so long as the candidates are all members of the political establishment or the proles vote as they've been ordered to. Brexit was a nasty kick in their complacent bollocks and they don't want that happening again. "If voting changed anything they'd abolish it" as we used to say in the 1970s. How right we were.

(Not sure if that point's already been made and I'm certainly not wading through pages of the usual suspects spouting their usual bollocks to try and find out.)

Well put. Sir.

 

[Chicken Run]

Will all be a complete waste of time and effort if there is not close scrutiny in the voting area.The habit of electoral officials turning a blind eye on certain minority males escorting their wives to the voting booth and pointing out where to put the X is becoming very tiresome!

Would this be the same type that an earlier poster suggested does all the bills and everything is in his name?

 

[Chicken Run]

The funny thing is that every vote I get a polling card in the door and I take that to the vote where the guy then crosses off my name and gives me a voting slip so how do people get to vote twice if they haven't got a polling card and how is photo ID going to stop postal vote fraud ?

Idiot! Common ways in flats, young people still living at home who can't be bothered to vote and dad nicks their slip!