We are such a big club now! Go away fc united!

[Collar Feeler]

In the spirit of fairness on this FCUM love-in thread I would just like to say it seems FCUM are the marmite of football at the moment.

Personally I couldn't give a toss about them or their club and am bored by their whole existence and story. After Saturday's game I can safely say I will never give them a moments thought. I've heard all the arguments from the self righteous and self appointed NSC experts and quite frankly I don't agree with you all - I don't agree with FCUMs moral crusade, I don't agree or believe they stand for anything different than any other club and don't agree they represent a revolution or anything else worth supporting. In my opinion they have generated a hype and legend that some have been sucked into and some people just love a cause dont they! I also don't believe they are in any way comparable to the Albion or any other football league club in their so-called struggle, in all honesty I think that is total bollocks. There are dozens of clubs out there that do deserve supporting in their struggles, both league and non-league, many of them have been around for decades and have a rich history, I am happy to continue to support such clubs but FCUM are to me a bunch of disparate wannabes.

 

[Simster]

On a purely finanical basis we should have given them as many tickets as they wanted, within reason.

We won't sell out the home end. If they could have sold another 1,000 we should have let them have it.

I can remember Orient fans sitting in the South Stand (I think it was Orient) one game. Why any different for FCUM? Far more likely to be trouble against the O's.

And on a moral point, some Brighton fans have acted liked absolute Moonpigs over this. I am not in for the whole love in binfest some may opt for but we got support from a lot of clubs when we needed it. The irony in certain fans dismissing FCUM on one thread and moaning about Southampton's delusions of granduer on another is palpatable.

In this instance, I would be more than happy for an FCUM fan to sit near me. The more the merrier. We are all adults after all.

I agreed with every word of that. As I said on that original massive thread, the biggest tosspots on it were our own fans. I can't believe so many want to ignore our past fights just because we're now sitting pretty thanks to our outrageously good fortune of having a wealthy benefactor who happens to be an Albion fan.

 

[attila]

In the spirit of fairness on this FCUM love-in thread I would just like to say it seems FCUM are the marmite of football at the moment.

Personally I couldn't give a toss about them or their club and am bored by their whole existence and story. After Saturday's game I can safely say I will never give them a moments thought. I've heard all the arguments from the self righteous and self appointed NSC experts and quite frankly I don't agree with you all - I don't agree with FCUMs moral crusade, I don't agree or believe they stand for anything different than any other club and don't agree they represent a revolution or anything else worth supporting. In my opinion they have generated a hype and legend that some have been sucked into and some people just love a cause dont they! I also don't believe they are in any way comparable to the Albion or any other football league club in their so-called struggle, in all honesty I think that is total bollocks. There are dozens of clubs out there that do deserve supporting in their struggles, both league and non-league, many of them have been around for decades and have a rich history, I am happy to continue to support such clubs but FCUM are to me a bunch of disparate wannabes.

I'm sure you know the reasons why FCUM was formed. Just as a matter of interest, what do you think they should have done? Put up and shut up and said 'well, that's how it is, nothing we can do?' It's not about being self righteous. It's about a passion for football
that is run by fans and accessible to all!! What the hell is wrong with that? We stood up and given our time and energy for the game and the team we love - they chose to form their own because their club was being run by a family of American plutocrats who didn't give two hoots for ordinary supporters....
We're just going to have to agree to disagree. Not the first time I've done that..

 

[The Grockle]

Completely take your point Rev, excellent post but could it be the case that the club were advised by the police to only offer the standard 10% away allocation? I mean Gus indicated himself that if they wanted to bring 4000 they should be allowed to bring 4000.

Given the recent warning to the club regarding flares it would be wise to bend over and touch our toes for the police/FA, it would be pretty shit if we had restrictions going into the new stadium.

 

[krakatoa]

Good luck to FCUM. I still havn't heard a good reason why they didn't get their due ticket allocation. There have been loads of harmless pitch invasions after cup upsets over the years, without having ticket allocations slashed. We'd go apeshit if it happened to us.

 

[magoo]

Glad charlton fans didn't say end of the day they're brighton fans when they turned up in the coach loads in our supporti think over the years with had a tear up with most fans sometime somewhere but we could all get turned over by the big buck! We have far more in common with fc united fan base than with some that are milking football, and who will walk away when the udders are dryWe are lucky to have bloom, others are not so lucky. Enjoy the present, enjoy the future but please dont forget where we have been these past years

Replace the name FCUM with any other club, yes even Palace and i would have sympathy. But i just can't bring myself to give a shit about them.

 

[e77]

I would have loved for them to have their full allocation but they (and some of us) can't get their head round the fact it was a police decision, not some conspiracy to keep them downtrodden.

 

[Collar Feeler]

I'm sure you know the reasons why FCUM was formed. Just as a matter of interest, what do you think they should have done? Put up and shut up and said 'well, that's how it is, nothing we can do?' It's not about being self righteous. It's about a passion for football
that is run by fans and accessible to all!! What the hell is wrong with that? We stood up and given our time and energy for the game and the team we love - they chose to form their own because their club was being run by a family of American plutocrats who didn't give two hoots for ordinary supporters....
We're just going to have to agree to disagree. Not the first time I've done that..

I just think they should have stayed and fought for the club they loved rather than bugger off and embark on what seems to me to be a pointless and hopelessly misguided campaign. The Glaziers could care even less about them now and will be over the moon that they have got rid of a vast number of unhappy fans in one fell swoop. There are undoubtedly fans left supporting Man Utd who still go to games and still support their team and will never ever consider leaving and who remain equally if not more committed to protest and change within the club, what about them and their cause? There are likely to be thousands of such fans still going to Old Trafford but here we are saying then that we only accept FCUM as the face of protest and dissent and that their splinter movement is the one to get behind? Effectively they have weakened the overall cause of genuine Man Utd fans who are unhappy by leaving and setting up shop somewhere else. This 'passion for football that is run by fans and accessible to all!!' you and many refer to sounds like a nice soundbite but what exactly does it mean? I'm a passionate football fan but I have no desire to run football whatever that means, its all a bit woolly and generic. As for being accessible to all it would be lovely if every Man Utd fan could get to Old Trafford whatever their financial status but they still manage to cram 70000 paying customers in there every other week, am I to believe they are all tourists, corporate guests or people from Surrey? Do me a favour! There are plenty of clubs out there with reasonable ticket prices that struggle to fill their stadiums, football seems perfectly accessible to all in my opinion. FCUM are a single issue minority group getting an inordinate amount of publicity and focus and I don't believe for one minute they represent my views or that of the majority of fans and for that reason - I'm oot!

 

[attila]

I just think they should have stayed and fought for the club they loved rather than bugger off and embark on what seems to me to be a pointless and hopelessly misguided campaign. The Glaziers could care even less about them now and will be over the moon that they have got rid of a vast number of unhappy fans in one fell swoop. There are undoubtedly fans left supporting Man Utd who still go to games and still support their team and will never ever consider leaving and who remain equally if not more committed to protest and change within the club, what about them and their cause? There are likely to be thousands of such fans still going to Old Trafford but here we are saying then that we only accept FCUM as the face of protest and dissent and that their splinter movement is the one to get behind? Effectively they have weakened the overall cause of genuine Man Utd fans who are unhappy by leaving and setting up shop somewhere else. This 'passion for football that is run by fans and accessible to all!!' you and many refer to sounds like a nice soundbite but what exactly does it mean? I'm a passionate football fan but I have no desire to run football whatever that means, its all a bit woolly and generic. As for being accessible to all it would be lovely if every Man Utd fan could get to Old Trafford whatever their financial status but they still manage to cram 70000 paying customers in there every other week, am I to believe they are all tourists, corporate guests or people from Surrey? Do me a favour! There are plenty of clubs out there with reasonable ticket prices that struggle to fill their stadiums, football seems perfectly accessible to all in my opinion. FCUM are a single issue minority group getting an inordinate amount of publicity and focus and I don't believe for one minute they represent my views or that of the majority of fans and for that reason - I'm oot!

There is a fundamental difference of course. Through direct action we were able to put pressure on Archer et al - going to his house, demonstrating in his village, organising boycotts/ 'shopping trips' to Focus DIY, etc. The Glaziers are American based and I suspect hermetically sealed as well. However dedicated to the cause you are, that sheer geographical fact makes it very difficult to do much more than the Man U fans have already done. And as I have already said, many of the core FCUM people had already been forced out of Old Trafford because of ticket prices: I personally know a few like that. So it wasn't just about the Glaziers. Now I'm ooot too.

 

[vegster]

I just think they should have stayed and fought for the club they loved rather than bugger off and embark on what seems to me to be a pointless and hopelessly misguided campaign. The Glaziers could care even less about them now and will be over the moon that they have got rid of a vast number of unhappy fans in one fell swoop. There are undoubtedly fans left supporting Man Utd who still go to games and still support their team and will never ever consider leaving and who remain equally if not more committed to protest and change within the club, what about them and their cause? There are likely to be thousands of such fans still going to Old Trafford but here we are saying then that we only accept FCUM as the face of protest and dissent and that their splinter movement is the one to get behind? Effectively they have weakened the overall cause of genuine Man Utd fans who are unhappy by leaving and setting up shop somewhere else. This 'passion for football that is run by fans and accessible to all!!' you and many refer to sounds like a nice soundbite but what exactly does it mean? I'm a passionate football fan but I have no desire to run football whatever that means, its all a bit woolly and generic. As for being accessible to all it would be lovely if every Man Utd fan could get to Old Trafford whatever their financial status but they still manage to cram 70000 paying customers in there every other week, am I to believe they are all tourists, corporate guests or people from Surrey? Do me a favour! There are plenty of clubs out there with reasonable ticket prices that struggle to fill their stadiums, football seems perfectly accessible to all in my opinion. FCUM are a single issue minority group getting an inordinate amount of publicity and focus and I don't believe for one minute they represent my views or that of the majority of fans and for that reason - I'm oot!

Valid point, If The Real United ( Is that Man United or Fc United ? ) were playing to half empty stadiums due to a massive boycott then we might be able to give The Real United ( is that FC United or Man United ? ) some credit for being a genuine voice of protest.
Maybe they should all be forced to sit down and watch The Life Of Brian, in particular the Peoples Front of Judea/Judean People's Front segments ?

I feel sorry for all the genuine ex Man Utd fans who have to now cover their MUFC Til I Die tattoo's or blame it on a dyslexic tatoo artist, or, do they have different team tatoo's on different arms ?..

 

[CHAPPERS]

Good luck to FCUM. I still havn't heard a good reason why they didn't get their due ticket allocation. There have been loads of harmless pitch invasions after cup upsets over the years, without having ticket allocations slashed. We'd go apeshit if it happened to us.

Invading the pitch AT Rochdale has gone against them. I'm sure the club would have happily sold them more tickets but THE POLICE have recommended that their allocation be reduced. A few of their fans came on here and gave it large saying they'd bring LOADS and why have WE reduced their allocation.

 

[Return of the Rev]

f*** that shit, we are a big club, we're heading straight to the Premiership in an expanded Falmer, we're gonna bank all that filthy SKY lucre, and I for one am gonna love scoffing them prawn sarnies in an atmosphere-free ground. We've been slumming it for too long so shut it Rev, bring on the prawn sarnies and death to all tinpot clubs - and yes Southampton that does include you!

you are a cheeky monkey

 

[clippedgull]

Invading the pitch AT Rochdale has gone against them. I'm sure the club would have happily sold them more tickets but THE POLICE have recommended that their allocation be reduced. A few of their fans came on here and gave it large saying they'd bring LOADS and why have WE reduced their allocation.

Attila seems to contradict that : from the FCUM forum

I'm really sad that the Albion powers that be weren't prepared to give you the tickets you could sell, to make both clubs more money. I had a word with our chief security officer about it, for what it's worth, but no joy. I'm also really sad that some fans on our message board seem to have forgotten what we went through all those years and have adopted an 'I'm alright Jack' attitude - but message boards are message boards, and you have a few who haven't exactly helped matters either. And many of us know the score: We are such a big club now! Go away fc united!!

 

[attila]

Attila seems to contradict that : from the FCUM forum

I followed that one up to say that it was on police advice. I guess it is because of the Rochdale pitch invasion - does seem to be a bit of an overreaction though.

 

[Biscuit]

but instead of sitting around moaning, they DID something, and I for one back them 100%.

(So playing devils advocate) Yes and what did they do? Fight? Stand otuside asking people not to go in? No. They started a new club! Any football club in the future that has any problems, I hope their fans fight, like Brighton did, not just meekly give up.

We haven't stopped them bringing more fans, the Police have. I presume they have good reason to.

I hope it's a good game and both sets of fans enjoy it - I wouldn't like to see division at all. It's a close one but if I had to make a call, on thinking about it, I think they should have stayed at United and protested there rather than set up a new club.

 

[bhaexpress]

What I find annoying is that the EffSee fans keep blaming us for the decision, whatever their reasons for it it was the Police who wanted this. I can fully understand their unhappiness but the fact they keep blaming the club has frankly eroded any sympathy I had.

 

[Simster]

(So playing devils advocate) Yes and what did they do? Fight? Stand otuside asking people not to go in? No. They started a new club! Any football club in the future that has any problems, I hope their fans fight, like Brighton did, not just meekly give up.

We haven't stopped them bringing more fans, the Police have. I presume they have good reason to.

I hope it's a good game and both sets of fans enjoy it - I wouldn't like to see division at all. It's a close one but if I had to make a call, on thinking about it, I think they should have stayed at United and protested there rather than set up a new club.

I'll never understand this line of thinking. Seriously, what did you expect them to do? The difference between MU and most other clubs is that by protesting or refusing to abide by the rules put in place by existing greedy owners, there is an enormous queue of plastics to take your place as a season ticket holder. Man Utd had become a massive corporate entity, they wouldn't miss a few disgruntled fans at the end of the day.

 

[Hotchilidog]

Before we start beating ourselves up too much over this we should remember that most people did not have a problem with FCUM getting the areas that Woking were allocated. However what seems to have passed everyone by was that this was taken out of the clubs hands by the authorities, yet certain FCUM sought to denigrate and blame our club for something we didn't have too much control over. I think it's sad that this has turned into a total binfest as I respect fully what the FCUM guys have done. But it is considerably rich of any of their to compare their struggle with ours, when the two sets of circumstances were completely different. Af It is also a bit rich to slag off BHA when it is the actions of their owns fans in the previous round which has lead to them getting a reduced allocation.


I wish FCUM well in their future endeavours, and hope that those that do come down have a good day.

 

[B.W.]

It's down to the Police... you can hardly blame the Albion...

 

[Brighton Breezy]

I'll never understand this line of thinking. Seriously, what did you expect them to do? The difference between MU and most other clubs is that by protesting or refusing to abide by the rules put in place by existing greedy owners, there is an enormous queue of plastics to take your place as a season ticket holder. Man Utd had become a massive corporate entity, they wouldn't miss a few disgruntled fans at the end of the day.

Exactly. If they boycotted it a load of day trippers would have snapped up their seats.

I don't see what else they could have done.