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Was Gus right (England) ?



clapham_gull

Legacy Fan
Aug 20, 2003
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I seem to recall from a visit he made to SOL (I think) when asked about managing England he said 'Itsss NOT complicated...."

Mistake was that England managers simply pick the best players from the respective Premier League clubs and fail to bond them together into a team.

Can't find the correct player to play your way in the Premier League - simply look below into the Championship.

He quite forthright about it and seemed a pragmatic solution to the lack of quality English players in the top division.

Once thing you can't take away from Gus was his ability to take quite average players and make them play another way. Getting them to play yet ANOTHER way, well that might be a problem...

But is his central point correct ?
 




skipper734

Registered ruffian
Aug 9, 2008
9,189
Curdridge
For instance, is there no English born player that can deliver balls from set plays as Knocky does, other than the number nine?
 




Bladders

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Jun 22, 2012
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A good start would be for an England manager to stop shoe horning in his players in positions they do not play for their clubs.

How many more times will we see centre forwards playing out wide? ???
 








beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
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Mistake was that England managers simply pick the best players from the respective Premier League clubs and fail to bond them together into a team.

theres something to that. the pundits were making a point about systems or style last night and i think the problem with this tournement and Hodgeson in general is he never settled a system, and played around the players available to a style that wasnt his natural cautious, organised style. its made for some great football in the friendlies and the group games were we had great domination, it had core weakness that the players didnt know what to do defensivly and for all the flair they couldnt breakdown sides.

would the media stand for it? needs a very thick skinned manager to leave top players behind because they dont fit a system, especially if a result goes against them. does seem to be something other nations do, leave incredible players out, or if they dont perform at internationals, drop them.
 






Cowfold Seagull

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Apr 22, 2009
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A good start would be for an England manager to stop shoe horning in his players in positions they do not play for their clubs.

How many more times will we see centre forwards playing out wide? ???

I agree, (about this point, not your views on Brexit, although that's for another thread!). Seeing Sturridge struggle out on the wing was cringeworthy.

The likes of Jack Wilshere should never have been on the plane having played so little football during the season, never mind being picked to actually start games.

Our number nine and target man being our regular corner taker.

Raheem Sterling starting the game last night, having had such an abysmal tournament thus far.

Jamie Vardy not starting more games. Rashford not getting more minutes on the pitch despite our lack of goals in the tournament.

The list of mistakes made by Woy and his coaching staff goes on.
 


Cowfold Seagull

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Apr 22, 2009
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With Hodgson insisting on starting games with two wingers, why on earth did he only take one man accustomed to playing that role?

What made it even worse, was that Raheem Sterling's performances were way below par.
 






skipper734

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Aug 9, 2008
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Stat Brother

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Jul 11, 2003
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West west west Sussex
Is there any subject on NSC that can't be related to Poyet?
 




Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
theres something to that. the pundits were making a point about systems or style last night and i think the problem with this tournement and Hodgeson in general is he never settled a system, and played around the players available to a style that wasnt his natural cautious, organised style. its made for some great football in the friendlies and the group games were we had great domination, it had core weakness that the players didnt know what to do defensivly and for all the flair they couldnt breakdown sides.

would the media stand for it? needs a very thick skinned manager to leave top players behind because they dont fit a system, especially if a result goes against them. does seem to be something other nations do, leave incredible players out, or if they dont perform at internationals, drop them.

Sir Alf Ramsey was panned by the press for doing just that.
 














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