[Football] Viera

[zefarelly]

Of course the Everton fan was a massive t**t but I can’t believe how many are defending Vieira’s violent actions. As a highly paid professional manager he should have ignored the fan and carried on walking to the changing room. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

If someone walked along side me with a finger in my ear and giving it all the verbal they'd be on the floor pretty quick. I don't care what position your in, aggressive provocation is only for one reason, a reaction, that little **** deserved one. Viera was remarkably restrained and composed IMO.

 

[TWOCHOICEStom]

Viera could learn a lot from this legend:

 

[redoubtable seagull]

Inevitable that the Everton fans would celebrate a win like this. And it’s not as if pitch invasions have not been in the news lately. With the away team having to make their way across to the other side of the pitch this just shows incredibly poor planning by Everton to consider the safety of the CP players at the end of the match. Either a stewards escort or a different route to their changing rooms via the home tunnel perhaps should have been planned for.

 

[Return of the Rev]

Don't blame him, fair play to the sensible fans who ushered him away

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

Cantona got banned for less…..

Seriously, a lot of sympathy for Vieira, but two wrongs etc…… He should not have lashed out.

 

[Taybha]

Give Everton a immediate 6 point deduction ,financial fines are a waste of time,won't happen but it's a excellent incentive for fans not to act like complete neanderthals when they're supposed to be over the moon about winning a game.

 

[Eric the meek]

Cantona got banned for less…..

Seriously, a lot of sympathy for Vieira, but two wrongs etc…… He should not have lashed out.

You're right, but if you stick your phone in someone's face, mocking, taunting them, then you have got to expect a reaction. Cause and effect and all that.
And to be fair, this is Vieira. He got sent off 8 times, which is the most in PL history.

My tip for the day: don't stick your phone in Sergio Ramos' face. Sent off 26 times, all for Real Madrid.

 

[Stumpy Tim]

Viera shouldn't have gone onto the pitch in the first place, imo, as it was bound to end badly.

The Everton away end is in the far corner, so he had no choice. Everton have to take some of the blame as it was entirely obvious it would happen... if they lost the fans would have been angry, if they win they would be overjoyed... a pitch invasion of sorts was inevitable. They really should have put other systems in place for this one game where the away team went down the tunnel.

Footballers & managers/coaches are human. I don't blame Viera one bit

 

[southstandandy]

In what way do you think the authorities should act though?

If a large group of football fans want to get on the pitch, about the only thing that is going to stop them is large metal fences, and we're not going back there.

Automatic reversal of the result.

If say in Everton's case last night, they knew if they invaded the pitch the result would be reversed it might make people think again. Should be standard practice in future for 'mass' invasions.

 

[A1X]

I like to watch it with this audio

 

[nwgull]

Viera has always been a ****, the fact that manages palarse makes him a double ***t, and the fact he is strutting amongst adrenalin-filled fans makes him a triple ***t.

I hope he is given a big penalty for his assault of a human on a football pitch, let's face it it was his pastime and he was showing his true colors, horrible player and individual.

Sorry, but exactly why shouldn't Viera have been on the pitch seconds after the final whistle? It's generally what managers do to either shake hands with opposing players, congratulate or console their own players, or, in this case, walk towards the away dressing room.

Fans on the other hand shouldn't be on the pitch. The only reason that the authorities have turned a blind eye to mass invasions is that they're generally celebratory and good natured with fans showing a degree of respect to the opposition players who probably just want to get off into the dressing room. The actions of dickheads from the last couple of days are going to spoil that for everyone.

 

[highflyer]

Viera has always been a ****, the fact that manages palarse makes him a double ***t, and the fact he is strutting amongst adrenalin-filled fans makes him a triple ***t.

I hope he is given a big penalty for his assault of a human on a football pitch, let's face it it was his pastime and he was showing his true colors, horrible player and individual.

True colours have certainly been shown here. But not by Viera.

 

[The Fits]

100% with Viera on this. It’s their place of work. They are now vulnerable from attacks by the general public on a seemingly weekly basis- see Billy Sharp. Something needs to be done because a certain minority of football ‘supporters’ seem unable to behave at the moment. Thank goodness for the end of the season. (Also agree about this largely being about broader societal issues)

 

[Pavilionaire]

I'm with Vieira 100%. Remember this comes just a few days after the sickening attack on Billy Sharp. The authorities need to do something.

 

[BNthree]

The Everton away end is in the far corner, so he had no choice. Everton have to take some of the blame as it was entirely obvious it would happen... if they lost the fans would have been angry, if they win they would be overjoyed... a pitch invasion of sorts was inevitable. They really should have put other systems in place for this one game where the away team went down the tunnel.

Especially as it had already happened once before the match was even over!

 

[Barnet Seagull]

Reflects a very broken and breaking apart country/society. Drugs everywhere, anger everywhere, a sense of hapless foreboding everywhere (politics, economy, inflation, climate, covid…), corruption, MoJ in crisis, NHS in (even bigger than normal) crisis…and that’s just Domestic stuff. Meanwhile, over in Ukraine…!

And we are undoubtedly soft. We need to inject real fear into peoples lives, of consequences committing crime. Fear keeps majority of people in line. Shame used to, but that’s more badge of honour stuff these days so we need fear eg Fly tip? Seize van, crush it > Can’t work? Tough luck > no Unemployment benefit > Can’t pay bills/Resort to further crime therefore? Proper jail time! > Act up in jail? > Sentence increased! And so on. Got to be the case that individual always pays a higher price than society if they offend. Not believe they can always win by going one step lower in a race to the bottom and ‘we’ pick up the tab/relent and release. And to pay for all this? Tax corporate evaders, the biggest crooks of all some say! Country needs a massive overhaul from top to bottom. We need a new generation of strong, duty driven political class who will reform almost everything and work cross divide for more than 2-3 parliaments to really put eg NHS, Education, MOD, MoJ etc on right path. Even if I have zero expectation this happening, it could at least be attempted!

This is where I struggle. With prison in a number of cases you're addressing the outcomes not the source. I believe there was a report that 50% of those in prison have come through the care system and 60% have suffered through trauma and/or neglect.
I'm ok with addressing the outcome but you also need to correspondingly put things in place to prevent the source.

Sadly, this fits the current class narrative and politics in this country where those without are continually compromised and kept down so those who have can sneer and be 'tough on crime'

 

[Acker79]

I think everyone is right.

Increase in drug use is an issue
Lockdown causing changes in behavious is an issue
Scrotes in society/broken society is an issue
Misbehaving players/managers is an issue
Lawbreaking goverment is an issue
Vieira was within his rights to do it
Vieira shouldn't have done it (seriously, the fact he didn't react until the fan had turned away could cost him, if those pushing charges are so inclined)
Fans shouldn't be on the pitch
Fans will always celebrate "success" when it's been such a stress to get there
Everton fans should be embarassed they're celebrating premier league survival like that (and probably will in the cold light of day)

EDIT to add to possible causes:
general cost savings and lack of stewarding/policing numbers?
football being an outlet for life stresses, the current cost of living is causing a lot more stress and leading to more explosions. Without proper riots, football gives that outlet?

 

[timbha]

Other than fences and the threat of arrest/bans I’m not really sure what clubs can do to prevent a large group of determined fans getting onto the pitch. Likewise protecting players and match officials cannot be guaranteed when faced with hordes of well meaning fans and increasing numbers of drunk/drugged up losers usually waving their phones around.

Clearly the final whistle blows when the referee decides and theoretically the play can be at any part of the pitch at that time. Hundreds of fans are waiting on the perimeter for the starters (referees) gun (whistle) to go and then it’s a mass charge with no pre determined target.

The stewards have no chance. Doubling their numbers would help but until you have sufficient numbers to surround the entire perimeter (plus more) with burly well trained stewards there will always be weak points and gaps in the dam. How long would the stand off last anyway, hopefully long enough for snatch squads to get to the players, etc. But what if a player or official gets missed or isolated?

What Vierra, Cantona, Clough, etc did was wrong but as we know in general fans are cowards and will antagonise until someone reacts and stands up to them.

What’s the answer? I don’t know. Somewhere between fences and fan free grounds I suppose, or as I wish, better behaved and law abiding fans. Sadly post match pitch invasions are in vogue at the moment and I fear for this coming weekend.

Maybe we’ll see the closure of the first 10? rows of seats and strong netting as a deterrent.

There may be social reasons for this behaviour but too many people use this as an excuse to lay the blame on this and that. People need to be responsible and accountable for their own actions.

“It’s what you do when no one is watching”

 

[Wardy's twin]

Missed the point. What the feck is he doing on the pitch? Trying to remonstrate, with a kid on his shoulders?! Parent of the year, as said.

Probably on the pitch to try to protect his players. Didn't see him remonstrate with the guy with kid on his shoulders. I wouldn't take my kids to football at that age but each to his own.

 

[Swansman]

A post I saw on Everton's forum, and thought about was..

Is there a connection between the way the country is being run and more football 'incidents'?

There is a connection between this and sleepwalking into a cocaine addiction epidemic where pitch invasions will be the least of concerns in your society.