[News] US Election 2020

[Tyrone Biggums]

Of course they won other states in 2016, no-one said they didn't. BUT. . .

Confederate states: Texas, Arkansas, Louisiana, Tennessee, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, North Carolina and Virginia. You know very well that these are all red states, apart from three that are purple.

You will always be able to find small instances of politicians being hypocrites because they all are, it's in their nature. But you have to look at the big picture, which is that it is the Republicans who are trying to win the election by voter suppression - especially minority voters.

Have you not considered that they are red because they have significant rural areas within their limits?

The Democrats as is easily shown have very little interest in the rural communities of the US almost to the point of showing outward disdain for rural people.

You're also over looking that a state like Texas is red not because of anything to do with the Confederacy in 2020 but more to do with it's a state with a history of not liking big government, not liking to be dictated to by outsiders etc

Florida can be red because it has a large ex-Cuban community that hate anything that even looks slightly like socialism thanks to their hate of Castro. So they are active in Politics. It's a swing state though, not a safe state for either party.

There's also the fact 50% of Americans don't vote each election. That's approx. 92 million people who aren't voting.

The following text is symptomatic of what's really going on that's rarely given air time.

The Rev. Sonya Riggins-Furlow, a 63-year-old pastor at Butler Memorial Baptist Church, is worrying a lot about turnout these days. Not in her pews but at the polls.

Voting trends in the Grays Ferry neighborhood, a majority African American area undergoing gentrification, make her fear that Election Day 2008 —when people were lined up around the block to get into polling sites—might have been an aberration and that when it matters most this November, few will show up. She saw what happened in 2016, when the same voting locations were eerily quiet. Her parishioners and neighbors were registered, she says, but didn’t cast their ballot because they lacked enthusiasm for the Democratic candidate.

It's far more complicated and nuanced than you're letting on.

 

[Zen Frenzy]

Vibes from my USA relatives are that it's Biden's to lose with the real nastiness yet to kick-off.

Should he pull it off it'll be interesting to see how the Republicans react (other than by denying the result). You'd hope for some moderation to emerge in advance of 2024 but as Mike Pence seems like the heir apparent he'll end up making Trump look like Pikachu.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Vibes from my USA relatives are that it's Biden's to lose with the real nastiness yet to kick-off.

Should he pull it off it'll be interesting to see how the Republicans react (other than by denying the result). You'd hope for some moderation to emerge in advance of 2024 but as Mike Pence seems like the heir apparent he'll end up making Trump look like Pikachu.

The best result for lower levels of violence and criminal activity is for the Democrats to win.

Their supporter base is far more likely to turn violent and criminal on a wider, larger scale.

 

[Tom Bombadil]

The best result for lower levels of violence and criminal activity is for the Democrats to win.

Their supporter base is far more likely to turn violent and criminal on a wider, larger scale.

That's just nonsense

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

That's just nonsense

So provide evidence to the contrary then.

It's easy to pull up information of non-Republican protests or actions that have resulted in large scale rioting, destruction of property and criminal activity.

You'll be able to provide a lot of links to support your position then?

What's an example of a widespread Republican support base looting and rioting of an area?

 

[Tom Bombadil]

So provide evidence to the contrary then.

It's easy to pull up information of non-Republican protests or actions that have resulted in large scale rioting, destruction of property and criminal activity.

You'll be able to provide a lot of links to support your position then?

What's an example of a widespread Republican support base looting and rioting of an area?

Thats which has been asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Thats which has been asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence

As you wish.

https://www.claimsjournal.com/news/national/2020/06/02/297361.htm

Now you can show me where the costs of like minded actions from the other side recently has caused this much destruction.

Perhaps to some links of that side destroying Government property and public properties.

 

[Stato]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/27/us-far-right-violence-terrorist-threat-analysis

Can't possibly be true though. It's in The Guardian.

 

[Tom Bombadil]

Actually I'm done on this thread. I've enjoyed nsc much more when i've not been drawn into arguments with racist trolls . I'm not going to "win" any argument with someone so far down the rabbit hole so I'm going to leave him to it.

 

[gripper stebson]

Biden will win. Trump will contest it having spent months saying it's rigged. It'll end up in the Supreme Court.

Yesterdays news re Ruth Bader Ginsberg means Trumps wins that vote 5-4.

He will pull of the biggest heist of all time.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/27/us-far-right-violence-terrorist-threat-analysis

Can't possibly be true though. It's in The Guardian.

Did you read it? These people aren't Republicans.

These are the sovereign citizen constitutionalist types who hate all Government. The Timothy McVeighs of the US who are indeed very dangerous to all people.

 

[Sorrel]

I met quite a few people from Oklahoma back in the summer of 1995 and heard all about the bombing from them, several of whom knew the bombing location well. They talked about how horrible and shocked they had been by it.

At the same time - because politics is not an either/or system - they were very much committed republicans who (for a reason I couldn't quite ever work out) reserved a lot of deep dislike for Hillary Clinton, who was wife of the president back then. I wasn't hugely surprised to see her fail to win if there had been that much animosity towards her back in the 1990s.

This time round, I think Biden will probably win - mostly because he both doesn't have that baggage and his close to the (old school) republicans in many ways. But some people will worry that he may not last the four years and those people will be wary of his vice-president and that may affect their vote.

Personally I'm glad it's nothing to do with me. I will give it fleeting attention and maybe look in after the election and then again a few months later after all the lawsuits deciding who has won.

As with Trump and Obama, I don't think either side winning will make a huge difference in the longer term as the trajectory the USA is on will not be affected by the president - which is mostly (but not completely) theatre compared to the social, economic and ecological challenges that country faces (as do we).

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Biden will win. Trump will contest it having spent months saying it's rigged. It'll end up in the Supreme Court.

Yesterdays news re Ruth Bader Ginsberg means Trumps wins that vote 5-4.

He will pull of the biggest heist of all time.

This gives an explanation of why it could take a while for results to come through.

Also highlights the warped mindsets of both sides more extreme supporters.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0gN_oRVya0&ab_channel=TheHill

 

[Stato]

Did you read it? These people aren't Republicans.

These are the sovereign citizen constitutionalist types who hate all Government. The Timothy McVeighs of the US who are indeed very dangerous to all people.

And yet you seem to have assumed that all the looters were Democrats.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

And yet you seem to have assumed that all the looters were Democrats.

Well that's what happens when you show anti-Trump sentiment rather than anti-everyone sentiment.

When you have a BLM co-founder speaking at the Democratic Party platform meeting it tends to link the two together.

 

[Stato]

Well that's what happens when you show anti-Trump sentiment rather than anti-everyone sentiment.

When you have a BLM co-founder speaking at the Democratic Party platform meeting it tends to link the two together.

So you've made a link between Democrats and BLM organisers. Not to looters though. Generally with riots some people are on the streets because they are angry and others because they are opportunists. I haven't seen a lot of voting intention polling of those running from shops with electrical goods. Considering the numbers you have given in your previous post, my guess would be that most looters won't be voting at all. I'd also hazard a guess that quite a large majority of the voting white supremacists will be voting for the man who described them as having 'some very fine people' either because they sympathise with his policies, or because his incompetence and self serving challenges to established norms bring the chaos that they seek.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

So you've made a link between Democrats and BLM organisers. Not to looters though. Generally with riots some people are on the streets because they are angry and others because they are opportunists. I haven't seen a lot of voting intention polling of those running from shops with electrical goods. Considering the numbers you have given in your previous post, my guess would be that most looters won't be voting at all. I'd also hazard a guess that quite a large majority of the voting white supremacists will be voting for the man who described them as having 'some very fine people' either because they sympathise with his policies, or because his incompetence and self serving challenges to established norms bring the chaos that they seek.

The Democrat mayors of many of these cities have been complicit in allowing rioters and looters to get away with their actions. Portland and Seattle prime examples.

I mean there was a Democrat Mayor in Minneapolis who told Police to stand down while rioting and looting was going on. That's protecting the criminals and not protecting business and private citizens.

You have Democrat celebrity supporters openly saying they are contributing to bail funds to get crims out not long after Police arrest them. It's the optics of those representing the Democrats being seen to aide in some ways what's been going on.

Then there's the optics of prominent Democrats being "quiet" about the criminal activity as a Democrat points out below.

“Some Democratic leaders in some of these cities, including my hometown, have been quieter than perhaps they should be when it comes to speaking out against individuals who choose to perpetrate crime against society or someone else’s property,” Erlandson said.

I think you'll find quite a lot of white supremacists hate Trump because of his ties to Israel and being Pro-Israel. In fact he's touted as being the most Pro-Israel President since Truman.
You think the KKK types like that the President has a Jew (his son-in-law) in his ear in the White House?

Ironically this is why he's hated by sections of the right and left.

 

[Stato]

The Democrat mayors of many of these cities have been complicit in allowing rioters and looters to get away with their actions. Portland and Seattle prime examples.

I mean there was a Democrat Mayor in Minneapolis who told Police to stand down while rioting and looting was going on. That's protecting the criminals and not protecting business and private citizens.

You have Democrat celebrity supporters openly saying they are contributing to bail funds to get crims out not long after Police arrest them. It's the optics of those representing the Democrats being seen to aide in some ways what's been going on.

Then there's the optics of prominent Democrats being "quiet" about the criminal activity as a Democrat points out below.



I think you'll find quite a lot of white supremacists hate Trump because of his ties to Israel and being Pro-Israel. In fact he's touted as being the most Pro-Israel President since Truman.
You think the KKK types like that the President has a Jew (his son-in-law) in his ear in the White House?

Ironically this is why he's hated by sections of the right and left.

For such an independent thinker it really is surprising how often your independent thoughts seem to match Trump campaign talking points.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

For such an independent thinker it really is surprising how often your independent thoughts seem to match Trump campaign talking points.

That's because you only think in blue and red. There's more than just blue and red views.

92 million people don't vote, you don't think their lives are impacted by the actions of both parties and their supporters?

If you're watching riots and looting in Portland and then you're hearing they are arresting people and then immediately letting them out with the support of the Democrat Portland Mayor then that creates an optic for non-political people.

If you're seeing private property being taken over in Seattle with the Mayor doing nothing about it then you're creating an optic for non-political people.

That's not a Trump talking point, that's a private citizen point of view.