Unemployment up to 7.9%

[pork pie]

maybe to deflect from a certain funeral we should be discussing the unemployment situation
the way I see it 2.4million(7.9%) will not go into 0.5 million no matter how much David,George(Gideon or what ever his name is) says it will , but then mind you Mathematics has never been their strong point has it.
it would be very interesting how many of those half million jobs are what I call real jobs, full time not call centres, or short contract.

altered typed it in a hurry

Don't blame them, blame the last lot who lest us skint.

In my opinion underlying unemployement is much higher than that, but people who dropped of the Job Seakers Allowance after six months cannot be bothered to claim the dole for their Stamp only. Anyone with a partner with a decent job or savings gets nothing, whilst the scroungers who contribute nothing get loads.

 

[pork pie]

I spent my first years as a contracting electrician working in and around the Brighton area and worked mainly in factories,schools, hospitals and mainly using heavy materials such as conduits,trunking and armoured cables, huge fuse boards and alot of the work was done live.
forming trunking around some of the walls and over beams without using manufactured bends and the such was in itself artwork.
with the introduction of many plastics that all went out of the window but there was still work to be had in the heavy industrial units.
where have they all gone especially in the Brighton area, many disappeared without trace
Alan West
Kearney and Trecker
I worked on most of the factories on the Hollingbury industrial estate, now mostly ASDA,and furniture stores and a police HQ, I worked at Leytool making a machine that made Quavers to go abroad ( mostly Eastern Europe) now they are coming here to work in the shops that sell the bloody things.
I do sometimes think I am well out of the workforce now, finding what I would call a decent job now must be hell.

You were a Sparkie! That says it all. They are always causeing trouble and their leaders have to be tracked on a Black-list. Were you on JLE?

 

[vegster]

Don't blame them, blame the last lot who lest us skint.

In my opinion underlying unemployement is much higher than that, but people who dropped of the Job Seakers Allowance after six months cannot be bothered to claim the dole for their Stamp only. Anyone with a partner with a decent job or savings gets nothing, whilst the scroungers who contribute nothing get loads.

Er, Porky, I think you have some foam obscuring some of your keyboard.

 

[Justice]

This country is ****ed

 

[pork pie]

Er, Porky, I think you have some foam obscuring some of your keyboard.

Thanks for the spell check. You should get a life!

 

[Weststander]

Osborne inherited an economy without a rapidly rising and vast public and personal debt, and without a shrinking by-the-day manufacturing sector, and so, quite clearly, it is all his fault.
Messrs. Brown, Moribund and Balls, handed over a fine economic batten.

Either that, or it's all Paul Barber's fault.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

I spent my first years as a contracting electrician working in and around the Brighton area and worked mainly in factories,schools, hospitals and mainly using heavy materials such as conduits,trunking and armoured cables, huge fuse boards and alot of the work was done live.
forming trunking around some of the walls and over beams without using manufactured bends and the such was in itself artwork.
with the introduction of many plastics that all went out of the window but there was still work to be had in the heavy industrial units.
where have they all gone especially in the Brighton area, many disappeared without trace
Alan West
Kearney and Trecker
I worked on most of the factories on the Hollingbury industrial estate, now mostly ASDA,and furniture stores and a police HQ, I worked at Leytool making a machine that made Quavers to go abroad ( mostly Eastern Europe) now they are coming here to work in the shops that sell the bloody things.
I do sometimes think I am well out of the workforce now, finding what I would call a decent job now must be hell.

I go walking with one of my dads old friends. I'm 39, he is in his mid 70's now and was a plumber all his life. He has good life experience and kind of took the place of my dad before I got married dishing out advice . My father sadly passed away a few years before I got married.

We have loads of debates whilst walking, football and politics mainly. Trying to explain to him about job opportunities especially for young people today, the price of houses and how difficult it is to get started yourself on the ladder, he doesn't seem to understand this. He says back in the 60's it was just as hard, but was it really?

From what my dad used to tell me, and my grandfather everybody had job security back then, you could plan for the future. My grandfather used to tell me how he went to one engineering job walked out after an hour and got a job in the factory opposite, started work immediately. It's just not like that now is it. People are living day to day scared worried if they will have a job tomorrow. The economy and the cost of everything is ruining people at the moment, but the scary thing is I just cannot see it getting any better.

But on top of this we have thousands of people entering the labour market from outside the UK too. It just makes the situation worse for all involved.

 

[Stat Brother]

Tell this to the closeted posties, who've never done a day's 'real work' in their life.

People in my office have been asking 'where's our bonus and pay rise, this year'.

 

[Weststander]

Tell this to the closeted posties, who've never done a day's 'real work' in their life.

People in my office have been asking 'where's our bonus and pay rise, this year'.

Don't pick on posties. They have a strong union, and by tradition only have to work until lunchtime.

 

[Addiseagull]

maybe to deflect from a certain funeral we should be discussing the unemployment situation
the way I see it 2.4million(7.9%) will not go into 0.5 million no matter how much David,George(Gideon or what ever his name is) says it will , but then mind you Mathematics has never been their strong point has it.
it would be very interesting how many of those half million jobs are what I call real jobs, full time not call centres, or short contract.

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Are you a bit simple? Why are call centre jobs not real jobs?

 

[loz]

I go walking with one of my dads old friends. I'm 39, he is in his mid 70's now and was a plumber all his life. He has good life experience and kind of took the place of my dad before I got married dishing out advice . My father sadly passed away a few years before I got married.

We have loads of debates whilst walking, football and politics mainly. Trying to explain to him about job opportunities especially for young people today, the price of houses and how difficult it is to get started yourself on the ladder, he doesn't seem to understand this. He says back in the 60's it was just as hard, but was it really?


Its a lot harder.

Started as an apprentice 4 years later a qualified tool maker, left to go to a slightly bigger firm as a turner, showed a bit of interest in other departments and before I knew was asked to work in other departments..to cut a long story short I now have a job that my employee would not even thing to employ someone without some sort of degree. Engineers need to be trained from Lathe work , Mills, grinders ect not at uni !!

 

[glasfryn]

I go walking with one of my dads old friends. I'm 39, he is in his mid 70's now and was a plumber all his life. He has good life experience and kind of took the place of my dad before I got married dishing out advice . My father sadly passed away a few years before I got married.

We have loads of debates whilst walking, football and politics mainly. Trying to explain to him about job opportunities especially for young people today, the price of houses and how difficult it is to get started yourself on the ladder, he doesn't seem to understand this. He says back in the 60's it was just as hard, but was it really?

From what my dad used to tell me, and my grandfather everybody had job security back then, you could plan for the future. My grandfather used to tell me how he went to one engineering job walked out after an hour and got a job in the factory opposite, started work immediately. It's just not like that now is it. People are living day to day scared worried if they will have a job tomorrow. The economy and the cost of everything is ruining people at the moment, but the scary thing is I just cannot see it getting any better.

But on top of this we have thousands of people entering the labour market from outside the UK too. It just makes the situation worse for all involved.

this is because he was skilled in a trade and probably done 4/5 years apprenticeship today anyone can do just about anything and if they can't and it means they are going to get some work they wing it and if the employer knows this they will be able to pay them less.
one of my daughters friends went to a 6 week coarse on how to speak on the phone so she could get a job at a call centre,
FFS what is that all about, my son was lucky after badgering a garage he got an apprenticeship as a mechanic and as soon as he had finished his apprenticeship they sacked him saying they could not afford to keep him, he found work elsewhere luckily, but my belief is he only found work because he went through that apprenticeship,you can't wing being a mechanic when you are dealing with peoples cars.
my first wife and I were lucky getting our first mortgage, they were not that easy to get but the banks were not asking for 50k deposits and we had been saving with the bank for ages.
I do think things will get better when this lot are voted out next election they think they are Teflon but then so they did last time, lets just hope they have not divided this country to much this time otherwise things will take a long time to get better.
just out of interest what do you do?

 

[glasfryn]

I go walking with one of my dads old friends. I'm 39, he is in his mid 70's now and was a plumber all his life. He has good life experience and kind of took the place of my dad before I got married dishing out advice . My father sadly passed away a few years before I got married.

We have loads of debates whilst walking, football and politics mainly. Trying to explain to him about job opportunities especially for young people today, the price of houses and how difficult it is to get started yourself on the ladder, he doesn't seem to understand this. He says back in the 60's it was just as hard, but was it really?


Its a lot harder.

Started as an apprentice 4 years later a qualified tool maker, left to go to a slightly bigger firm as a turner, showed a bit of interest in other departments and before I knew was asked to work in other departments..to cut a long story short I now have a job that my employee would not even thing to employ someone without some sort of degree. Engineers need to be trained from Lathe work , Mills, grinders ect not at uni !!

this most definitely

 

[glasfryn]

Are you a bit simple? Why are call centre jobs not real jobs?

if you think they are real jobs you are entitled to your opinion

 

[Mr Bridger]

this is because he was skilled in a trade and probably done 4/5 years apprenticeship today anyone can do just about anything and if they can't and it means they are going to get some work they wing it and if the employer knows this they will be able to pay them less.
one of my daughters friends went to a 6 week coarse on how to speak on the phone so she could get a job at a call centre,
FFS what is that all about, my son was lucky after badgering a garage he got an apprenticeship as a mechanic and as soon as he had finished his apprenticeship they sacked him saying they could not afford to keep him, he found work elsewhere luckily, but my belief is he only found work because he went through that apprenticeship,you can't wing being a mechanic when you are dealing with peoples cars.
my first wife and I were lucky getting our first mortgage, they were not that easy to get but the banks were not asking for 50k deposits and we had been saving with the bank for ages.
I do think things will get better when this lot are voted out next election they think they are Teflon but then so they did last time, lets just hope they have not divided this country to much this time otherwise things will take a long time to get better.
just out of interest what do you do?

**** me you've been lucky mate

 

[Weststander]

By deduction, the only real jobs must be digging polluting coal from loss making pits, producing 'fine' cars like Morris Marinas and Austin Aggros whilst the germans and japs produced better cars from non striking factories, or building ships in yards with a plethora of strikes and demarcation disputes whilst the germans, finns and koreans produced better ships more cheaply.

Service sector jobs in 21st century UK don't count as real jobs apparently.

 

[Stat Brother]

Don't pick on posties. They have a strong union, and by tradition only have to work until lunchtime.

Urrmmm, clearly I am a postie. The Union was badly out manouvered during the last disagreement, and clearly the current climate has weakened their hand still further, although the rank and file 'lifers' will always see it differently.

 

[Addiseagull]

if you think they are real jobs you are entitled to your opinion

Yes I do, and the fact that you don't says a lot about you. There are millions that work in the call centre industry who work hard and make the best of themselves. Many are permanent, contracted jobs with a monthly salary and associated benefits and working conditions. AKA - real jobs.

 

[beorhthelm]

Yes I do, and the fact that you don't says a lot about you. There are millions that work in the call centre industry who work hard and make the best of themselves. Many are permanent, contracted jobs with a monthly salary and associated benefits and working conditions. AKA - real jobs.

aye it does. modern factory workers some have remarked, doing a job that a machine can't. pity people have such misguided or oddly romantic ideas of working only a few decades ago, in reality often dirty, dangerous environments where fathers would tell their sons to do better if they could, and women were barred (unless there was a war on). and that was just the offices.

 

[glasfryn]

Yes I do, and the fact that you don't says a lot about you. There are millions that work in the call centre industry who work hard and make the best of themselves. Many are permanent, contracted jobs with a monthly salary and associated benefits and working conditions. AKA - real jobs.

would not be enough job satisfaction for me