UKIP nonsense...

[Tom Bombadil]

Nice work Kalinski. The only way to deal with UKIP is to quote the facts which disprove the myths.

 

[fatbadger]

Fact - many people supported the UKIP. Does this make everyone racist ? No.

What kind of fuckwittedness is this? Even assuming you typed 'every one' as 'everyone', it's a pile of nonsense. Have you no political sense at all? Added to which, how many people here have said 'UKIP voters are racist'? Rather, if you took the time to actually read the posts you would see that the arguments can all, roughly, be paraphrased as 'UKIP are racist in their policies'. You have not defended the party you apparently support against that charge. But then, it would be rather difficult.

Have you read UKIP's policies? It would appear you haven't.

Even the pretty face of UKIP, Kilroy-Silk has had to say publicly that he is opposed to UKIP's immigration policies because they are racist and have no place on the statute book in Britain.

 

[34064 Fighter Command]

One for the astronomers and Space Scientists amongst us ( very relevant to where I work ).

Article III - 155

" To promote scientific and technical progress, industrial competitiveness and the implementation of it's policies, the Union shall draw up a European Space policy. To this end, it may promote joint initiatives, support research and technological development and coordinate the efforts needed for the exploration and exploitation of Space.

To contribute to attaining the objectives referred to in paragraph 1, European laws or framework laws shall establish the necessary measures, which may take the form of a European space programme. "

 

[34064 Fighter Command]

In fact, having had some involvment with Space Science department's work at my current employers ( I have worked on some satellite projects and ground facilities we have here for testing ) it's quite gratifying to see our work being acknowledged in this way.

I won't bore you with the details, if you're interested click here :

http://www.sstd.rl.ac.uk/

 

[looney]

Its been a while since ive read so much rubbish on one thread.

The relationship between immigration and house prices is more complex than either you lot or UKIP seem to grasp so cos of lack of time I'll spell out some main points.

1. Immigration is a catch all,

a. Asylum seekers generally require social housing, this Does NOT impact on house prices. IT lengthens waiting lists for social housing something the BNP has grasped.

b. Economic immigrants Impact on different sectors depending on type, wealthy Impact the top end of the market, Key workers impact on the rental sector unless they convert to citizens, either way there is an effect on house prices but is negligable considering about 4 or 5 greater factors.

2 Economists tend to agree that you can have a generous benefit system or an open immigration policy but you can not have both.

What This means is that because of the large income differentials having both would create a no lose strategy for immigrants, in other words come here looking for work but if unluck then still better of on dole.

3 Asylum seekers DO receive benefits, there was a recent case that 2,500 poles were going to lose theres arfter enlargement of EU but they can keep them. Shit! What are they running from? Polish Vodka?

Some of the costs of Immigration, either kind........


High population density cause......................

Problems with transport infastructure.

Hinder the possibility of a single currency.

Resource problems. The Sudan has more water than the SE of England.

Housing problems(You need the homes were the jobs are).


Please note that these are numbers and not colour coded, economics is science not a political art.

Please also note that malicous allegations of racism to smear opponents and stifle arguements have resulted in legal action with, for example, the ADL being succesfully sued for millions(Anti-Defamation league) in the USA.
What starts in yank land soon ends up here, you have been warned lefties.

 

[looney]

fatbadger

Because the usual bunch of NSC lefties parrot UKIP=Racist does not make it true anymore than the Labour movement gearing up for a campaign for "End sex discrimination against girls in education" in the early 90's.......then the league tables came out.................

 

[looney]

for reference:

"...a tide of humanity that sees Britain as the land of milk and honey."

Asylum seekers are not allowed to claim mainstream welfare benefits. If they are destitute, the only option for some is to apply for support with the National Asylum Support Service (NASS), the Government department responsible for supporting destitute asylum applicants. NASS support is very basic indeed. A single adult has to survive on £37.77 a week - 30% below the poverty line.

"Bogus asylum seekers are draining millions from the NHS"

This idea ignores the enormous contribution that asylum seekers, refugees and other immigrants make to the economic and cultural life of the UK. Refugees bring with them a wealth of skills and experience - even the Home Office has recognised this and made a commitment, though its Integration Unit, to put such skills to good use. The NHS relies heavily on foreign labour - according to the Greater London Authority, 23% of doctors and 47% of nurses working within the NHS were born outside the UK.
According to a recent Home Office study carried out last year, migrants, including asylum seekers and refugees - are far from being a burden on UK tax payers. On the contrary, in 1999-2000, they made a net fiscal contribution of approximately £2.5 billion, worth 1p on income tax.

Research carried out by Personnel Today in November 2001, found that 9 out of 10 employers want to take on refugees to meet skills' shortages, but do not due to ignorance of the law and confusing Home Office paperwork.

I could go on for the ignorant but frankly it would take some reading, which seems to be a skill lacking from UKip and BMP supporters

You claim "for reference". Well go on then, reference it!

Provide links

Oh and why do you claim that asylum seekers provide economic benefits outside one side of your mouth then claim they cant work or draw dole out the other?

Me thinks you talk to much and think to little.

heh you'll be popular here, you talk more shit than the rest put together.

 

[Highfields Seagull]

Resource problems. The Sudan has more water than the SE of England.

Is that in absloute terms, or per square metre?

 

[Comedy Steve]

The irony of this thread being on NSC, is that the main reasons for expensive housing, especially in the South and even moreso in Brighton, is a lack of affordable accommodation due to a dearth of places to build on, due to our country's overzealous 'thou shalt not build in the countryside' nimbyness.

Remind anyone of an ongoing Albion issue, perhaps?

 

[looney]

Nice work Kalinski. The only way to deal with UKIP is to quote the facts which disprove the myths.

Yea thats why UKIP votes are growing, the facts are beginning to blow away the leftist myths.

 

[Man of Harveys]

The "ignore" feature is a marvellous thing

 

[34064 Fighter Command]

I really wanted to talk about the EU here, not allegations of racism amongst political parties.

Everyone keeps banging on about it, the fact is UKIP have claimed the EU is corrupt, wasteful and unnecessary.

Well it isn't unnecessary to me. A lot of our research funding comes via the EU and it keeps me in gainful employment.

 

[Tom Bombadil]

Yea thats why UKIP votes are growing, the facts are beginning to blow away the leftist myths.

Serious question Looney.

Do you think UKIP can retain this electoral success. How much was this a protest vote in an election which has little meaning to many uk voters.

This situation reminds me of the Green breakthrough a few years back. Their support soon receded after the government made some token efforts towards the enviroment.

 

[looney]

Is that in absloute terms, or per square metre?

per person, we have a pending water crisis.

 

[Man of Harveys]

Good point. And it's not just all economics either.

I always find it very frustrating that one of the main central guiding principles behind the founding of the EU - countries surrendering their industrial resources to share them with erstwhile enemies, specifically in order to make warmongering more difficult - never gets a mention either.

Western Europe has been peaceful for one of the longest spells ever in its history and war has, I would suggest, never been less likely amongst its major countries. That is very much down to the principles behind the EU.

The fact the Robert Kilroy-Silk's children have never had to experience another D-Day is something he and everyone else should be grateful for.

 

[looney]

Serious question Looney.

Do you think UKIP can retain this electoral success. How much was this a protest vote in an election which has little meaning to many uk voters.

This situation reminds me of the Green breakthrough a few years back. Their support soon receded after the government made some token efforts towards the enviroment.

good point. Its a waste of time trying to analyse it as its comparing chickens with sheep. Not comparing like with like eg..

1 PR splinters voting blocks by its nature, it tends to splinter the laft more, ref France and their NF getting in the prez election.

2 it was a Euro election not general.

people voted for different MOTIVES for most parties. Iraq, Europe, the economy, party loyalty.

Take a look at the last general election results UKIP if mainly tory then cost them seats, to a lot lesser exstent the same is true with labour.

I think its impossible to call at the moment pisssed of anti-EU labour voters may help UKIP and the tories or pissed of anti-EU Tories may help UKIP/Labour.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

seems to be a skill lacking from UKip and BMP supporters

.... and you lack typing skills - BMP ?

 

[Westdene Seagull]

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Western Europe has been peaceful for one of the longest spells ever in its history and war has, I would suggest, never been less likely amongst its major countries. That is very much down to the principles behind the EU.

This is a point that has been quoted many a time. As yet I've seen no evidence to either support or disprove it.

Who says the EU has helped keep the peace rather than NATO ?

 

[Man of Harveys]

This is a point that has been quoted many a time. As yet I've seen no evidence to either support or disprove it.

Who says the EU has helped keep the peace rather than NATO ?

Who says? I'd say it's fairly obvious. If France had wanted to wage war on Germany over the last 60 years (and if you include Prussia, those countries had done little else but wage war for the previous century or two), then the foundation of the Coal and Steel Community served to ensure a pooling of two of the main raw materials needed to make armaments.

Yes, there was the Cold War and Nato presence, which of course will have removed the likelihood of any government's will to wage a European war, given the Soviet threat. But even the will to wage war had ever existed within Europe, a government simply would not have been able to do so.

Now, given the end of the Cold War and the reduction in importance of the bi-polar axes like Nato, personally I'd say it's more important than ever that Europe doesn't retreat back to the semi-permanent state of warfares and invasions that you had pre-WW2.

Robin Cook put it well, something like "It's better for old men to bore each other than young men to kill each other." I'd go along with that.

 

[looney]

France is incapable of waging war on anyone. Nato guarantees peace because Nato is the only group ready to bomb the bad guys.