UKIP nonsense...

[clapham_gull]

Havent paid much attention to them, but I've just been shocked (as were the fellow panalists and audience) by a statement by the UKIP chief strategist on Question Time.

He just said that the REASON that house prices were so high in this country is that we allow too many immigrants in. Its simply a case of demand and supply.

Now, as there seemed to be a lot of support for this party on this board for UKIP perhaps somebody could explain to me how this argument adds up.

Are the immigrants (who are supposedly in need of our social security) snapping up properties left right and centre. ?

SO much for people argueing that immigrants next door bring the house prices down.

Exactly the same argument was being used by the BNP in the London local elections.

I'm sorry, but I'm sure UKIP have a number of sensible policies but this statement was utter nonsense.

The guy is an American spin doctor.

 

[Strike]

Difference is BNP say race. UKIP say matter of space not race.

 

[Gully]

What frightened me about the European elections was the percentage of support for right of centre parties if you added it all up, Tories, UKIP and BNP. The worrying factor is that they have increased their support at a time when there is less interest in politics amongst the general populace and very little trust, didn't the very same thing happen in Germany in the 1930's, we all know what that led to...

 

[Mr C]

Wouldn't it be a case of more immigrants = greater population = they need to be housed (one way or another) = more demand = higher prices?

Even if the immigrants themselves don't buy the properties, someone has to in order to house them.

 

[Gully]

In fact I think I might have come up with a solution to the housing crisis, there are too many single households, I am as guilty as anyone when it comes to this as I live alone in a nice 3 bed semi.

I am going to start the Love Party, this will encourage people to enter into relationships, straight, gay or whatever with the aim that they set up home together in the minimum amount of time possible. The result of this will be far fewer single househoulds, people will be happier as they will be getting a portion on a more regular basis there will therefore be more housing available for those who want to buy.

 

[Yorkie]

Absolutely spot on, Gully.

I know of a lot of marriage break ups where the two involved now are living apart so therefore taking up two properties instead of one.

 

[chips and gravy]

In fact I think I might have come up with a solution to the housing crisis, there are too many single households, I am as guilty as anyone when it comes to this as I live alone in a nice 3 bed semi.

I am going to start the Love Party, this will encourage people to enter into relationships, straight, gay or whatever with the aim that they set up home together in the minimum amount of time possible. The result of this will be far fewer single househoulds, people will be happier as they will be getting a portion on a more regular basis there will therefore be more housing available for those who want to buy.

Now at last someone is talking sense. The immigration card is a lazy one to play. What you have said here makes far more of an impact. Doesn't capture votes from small-minded little Englanders though does it.

Mr C - explain to me why it is that when it suits us we can bring any immigrants we like (eg Filipino nurses to staff our hospitals) but have to treat the rest like sub-humans?

 

[Zeitgeist]

Yorkie makes an interesting point re: divorce. Britian supposedly has the highest divorce rate in Europe, which in turn has knock on presure on house demand. A point that had passed me by before. As for the UKIP. Nothing more than a bunch of disinchanted Little Englander Tories showing their true racist colours. I suspect ( and hope ) that in time, the UKIP will go the same way as the Social democrats did in the eighties. Consigned to the dustbin of history.

 

[oldham gull]

The fact is that we have more than enough homes to go around. They are 1000's of empty properties in the country, and yet the government want to build many more in the S.E.
surely, it is more important to disperse jobs and investment properly so that the current housing stock is used.

 

[ditchy]

Wouldn't it be a case of more immigrants = greater population = they need to be housed (one way or another) = more demand = higher prices?

Even if the immigrants themselves don't buy the properties, someone has to in order to house them.

Thats exactly what the Ukip guy was trying to put across but very badly

 

[Deano's Right Foot]

What a ridiculous argument. There are many reasons for house prices rising so quickly in the UK, but immigration is surely not a major factor.

If it wasn't for immigration there would be huge(r) holes in our public services, especially the NHS. But house prices may be a teensy bit lower though - yippee.

I am sick to death with the rubbish talked about immigration tapping in to people's fears and ignorance. It's simply racism.

 

[Dandyman]

What a ridiculous argument. There are many reasons for house prices rising so quickly in the UK, but immigration is surely not a major factor.

If it wasn't for immigration there would be huge(r) holes in our public services, especially the NHS. But house prices may be a teensy bit lower though - yippee.

I am sick to death with the rubbish talked about immigration tapping in to people's fears and ignorance. It's simply racism.

Well said. Housing problems might just have something to do with the lack of social housing built over the last 25 years and the sell off of the social housing that does exist.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

Mr C - explain to me why it is that when it suits us we can bring any immigrants we like (eg Filipino nurses to staff our hospitals) but have to treat the rest like sub-humans?

Treat the rest like sub-humans ??

Free housing, free benefits and free medical treatment is treating people as sub-human ?

Our immigration needs controlling ( it's hardly working as it is ). People that benefit the country are fine ( in restricted numbers ) but the spongers should be weeded out and prevented from entering the country. A visable and strictly enforced points system based on the one Australia uses would be a good start. That is not racist .... it's controlling the influx to a small island with limited space and resources.

I find it unbelievable the crap being thrown around about the UKIP on here recently. Most is completely incorrect and some grossly exaggerated.

Fact - many people supported the UKIP. Does this make everyone racist ? No.

If by being a UKIP supporter it makes me right wing ... than tough - THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH BEING RIGHT WING !!!!! I'm far from racist but I believe that the UKIP best supports the needs of this country - i.e. a pullout from the EU. That is the main party aim. Unfortaunely some New Labourites are worried about the losses to the UKIP and have chosen to take the UKIP immigration policy ( at least they have one unlike Labour ) and blow it out of all proportion.

*** takes a breath ****

Rant Over.

 

[Albionite83]

Pity that UKIP bloke wasn't on Question Time just before the elections as his ramblings about everything would have cut their vote.

 

[ditchy]

Pity that UKIP bloke wasn't on Question Time just before the elections as his ramblings about everything would have cut their vote.

Very true .but i think as per earlier part of thread labour etc trying to make out that ukip are v racist and the support they get is v right wing ...All in all i think those people are just trying to show a protest at labours antics in europe !!

 

[zefarelly]

at the end of the day the whole european elections are a f***ing joke . . . .turn out in the UK was around 40 %

how can you possible call that a result if less than half the people vote.

voting should be compulsory . . .then and only then may we all be bothered to ensure we have some decent politicians.

as for the UKIP . . .theyre a bunch of fucktarded clowns

 

[clapham_gull]

Wouldn't it be a case of more immigrants = greater population = they need to be housed (one way or another) = more demand = higher prices?

Even if the immigrants themselves don't buy the properties, someone has to in order to house them.

Sorry that doesn't add up. The area where house prices are spiralling out of control are NOT in areas of high immigration.

I'm not aware of any tangible argument where the purchase, conversion or building of homes by local authorities to house the immigrant population has lead to an increase in house prices.

There has been a steep increase of English people from all other the country moving to the South East where wages are much higher. This has been going on for years. Nothing to do with immigration.

 

[34064 Fighter Command]

Treat the rest like sub-humans ??

Free housing, free benefits and free medical treatment is treating people as sub-human ?

Our immigration needs controlling ( it's hardly working as it is ). People that benefit the country are fine ( in restricted numbers ) but the spongers should be weeded out and prevented from entering the country. A visable and strictly enforced points system based on the one Australia uses would be a good start. That is not racist .... it's controlling the influx to a small island with limited space and resources.

I find it unbelievable the crap being thrown around about the UKIP on here recently. Most is completely incorrect and some grossly exaggerated.

Fact - many people supported the UKIP. Does this make everyone racist ? No.


If by being a UKIP supporter it makes me right wing ... than tough - THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH BEING RIGHT WING !!!!! I'm far from racist but I believe that the UKIP best supports the needs of this country - i.e. a pullout from the EU. That is the main party aim. Unfortaunely some New Labourites are worried about the losses to the UKIP and have chosen to take the UKIP immigration policy ( at least they have one unlike Labour ) and blow it out of all proportion.

*** takes a breath ****

Rant Over.

I shall use the phrase ' Asylum seekers ' which is the correct term for the people we are talking about.

Asylum seekers don't get free housing, they are placed in detention centres, like the ones that have been opposed in Lee-On-Solent ( ex HMS Daedelus ) and at Biscester.

Asylum seekers don't get free benefits either, they are given tokens to spend in local shops.

Asylum seekers do get free medical treatment, but that's how the NHS operate in this country for everybody already.

Asylum seekers are NOT ALLOWED to take on paid employment, how are they supposed to pay for housing and food ?

UKIP are not racist. They're just not analysing the problem correctly, and, like the Daily Mail, have jumped to the most absurd conclusions.

It's the Conservatives who are worried about UKIP, Labour voters find their policies so laughable that they don't worry about them at all !

Oh, and I think their policy on Europe is misguided as well.

 

[clapham_gull]

Treat the rest like sub-humans ??

Free housing, free benefits and free medical treatment is treating people as sub-human ?

Our immigration needs controlling ( it's hardly working as it is ). People that benefit the country are fine ( in restricted numbers ) but the spongers should be weeded out and prevented from entering the country. A visable and strictly enforced points system based on the one Australia uses would be a good start. That is not racist .... it's controlling the influx to a small island with limited space and resources.

I find it unbelievable the crap being thrown around about the UKIP on here recently. Most is completely incorrect and some grossly exaggerated.

Fact - many people supported the UKIP. Does this make everyone racist ? No.

If by being a UKIP supporter it makes me right wing ... than tough - THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH BEING RIGHT WING !!!!! I'm far from racist but I believe that the UKIP best supports the needs of this country - i.e. a pullout from the EU. That is the main party aim. Unfortaunely some New Labourites are worried about the losses to the UKIP and have chosen to take the UKIP immigration policy ( at least they have one unlike Labour ) and blow it out of all proportion.

*** takes a breath ****

Rant Over.

I agree with the UKIP on a number of points. But I'm not speaking crap, the guy on Question Time could have potentially done a lot of damage to their cause. I don't think their arguments on immigration are particularly more right wing than the Tories, or even Labour ( in terms of the way they express their views ).

However, the guy was obviously talking nonsense. The fact that he was an American Spin Doctor sort of confused the issue as well !

Why I took notice was the fact that the BNP used exactly the same argument in the London Mayoral elections. Its nonsense - the whole audience took a deep intake of breath when he said it.

There is overcrowding in the South, and an increase in housing as a result. It has nothing do with Immigration.

Argue about the wrongs and right of immigration, but it has nothing to do with the fact that 2 bedroom flats in Stockwell are going for 400,000 !!

 

[clapham_gull]

I think, the guy also said that trial by jury (as practiced by America and the UK) was under threat from the EU.

Correct me if he didn't say that - because that b*llocks as well.