UK net migration hits record high

[Hastings gull]

Pretty disturbing to see the predictable posters on here happy to watch 3 year old children wash up on the beach and still able to turn a blind eye. It's one thing, and can be pitifully amusing sometimes , to read the usual right wingers bang on about immigration and foreigners in their ill informed Alf Garnett fashion but a much darker and frankly revolting proposition to read them happy to ignore the plight of dying people on their doorstep, begging for help.
I don't think it's a far stretch to wonder what they would have done for the Jews in WW2.
These are the posters that love Churchill and bang on about our contribution to the world wars but when they get the chance to display some humanity, when they get the chance to help others in need? Well then it's pull the ladder up, I'm alright jack.
And for them to have the bare faces cheek to say to the more compassionate among us that it's okay cos we won't have to live near it all! It's just trying to make themselves feel better.
These kids are washing up on beaches. Dead children.
Some of you should hang your heads. And I hope when people ask about this period in history and they ask what you did to support the dying refugees, what you did to help your fellow human you are proud to say you told anyone that would listen that you didn't care. Shameful.

Don't give me this simplistic nonsense. You can be saddened as anyone to see that terrible image AND be wary of mass immigration. IT is hardly either or. Your clear implication that the usual " right wingers" are unmoved is a disgrace. I see that you arrogantly put yourself in the position of the more compassionate - most ironic given that of all the good folk who contribute on here, you must be in that small handful whose posts are regularly the most abusive and unpleasant. IF you want millions to settle here - and if this crisis appears year on year, who would bet against it - it is perfectly reasonable to question how they are all going to be accommodated. They cannot simply go somewhere - with such numbers, there is going to have to be quite some sacrifice made, and if we go down this route, as presumably you wish, being the loving soul that you claim to be, we need to be able to make suitable provision. This will involve hostels etc near you. This is what is being pointed out and it is very relevant. Naturally on Facebook everyone will be more than willing, but as we both know, nimbyism is something that the vast majority will resort to, if that hostel next door meant that your house price dropped by thousands, just when you needed to sell. This is the reality of life -you might wish to look away and say that you would never be like that.

 

[beorhthelm]

Some of you should hang your heads. And I hope when people ask about this period in history and they ask what you did to support the dying refugees, what you did to help your fellow human you are proud to say you told anyone that would listen that you didn't care. Shameful.

im wondering what you are doing, or suggesting should be done to address this particular part of the problem. It could be dealt with by going to Turkey and inviting all those migrants who want to travel on to EU to get on chartered planes, trains, boats, coaches etc, and transport them to suitable processing centers. are you advocating such a response, or similar? i'm not sure how else we prevent people making dangerous sea journeys (or by land for that matter).

 

[Soulman]

Pretty disturbing to see the predictable posters on here happy to watch 3 year old children wash up on the beach and still able to turn a blind eye. It's one thing, and can be pitifully amusing sometimes , to read the usual right wingers bang on about immigration and foreigners in their ill informed Alf Garnett fashion but a much darker and frankly revolting proposition to read them happy to ignore the plight of dying people on their doorstep, begging for help.
I don't think it's a far stretch to wonder what they would have done for the Jews in WW2.
These are the posters that love Churchill and bang on about our contribution to the world wars but when they get the chance to display some humanity, when they get the chance to help others in need? Well then it's pull the ladder up, I'm alright jack.
And for them to have the bare faces cheek to say to the more compassionate among us that it's okay cos we won't have to live near it all! It's just trying to make themselves feel better.
These kids are washing up on beaches. Dead children.
Some of you should hang your heads. And I hope when people ask about this period in history and they ask what you did to support the dying refugees, what you did to help your fellow human you are proud to say you told anyone that would listen that you didn't care. Shameful.

Nobody has turned a blind eye and these young children who sadly died were "escaping" from a safe country. You stated you would leave the country if Labour failed to get in, so how much help will you be whilst spending your cash on your jollies. How about the vets and people on the streets here, which will multiply with more immigration. Maybe if Labour had not opened the door to mass immigration when we took well ABOVE our quota, then there might be more room for the genuine ones now.

 

[piersa]

Don't give me this simplistic nonsense. You can be saddened as anyone to see that terrible image AND be wary of mass immigration. IT is hardly either or. Your clear implication that the usual " right wingers" are unmoved is a disgrace. I see that you arrogantly put yourself in the position of the more compassionate - most ironic given that of all the good folk who contribute on here, you must be in that small handful whose posts are regularly the most abusive and unpleasant. IF you want millions to settle here - and if this crisis appears year on year, who would bet against it - it is perfectly reasonable to question how they are all going to be accommodated. They cannot simply go somewhere - with such numbers, there is going to have to be quite some sacrifice made, and if we go down this route, as presumably you wish, being the loving soul that you claim to be, we need to be able to make suitable provision. This will involve hostels etc near you. This is what is being pointed out and it is very relevant. Naturally on Facebook everyone will be more than willing, but as we both know, nimbyism is something that the vast majority will resort to, if that hostel next door meant that your house price dropped by thousands, just when you needed to sell. This is the reality of life -you might wish to look away and say that you would never be like that.

This is a truly wonderful response to the "holier than thou" arrogance of Nibble. You have absolutely nailed him. Have a word with yourself Nibble, you are an embarrassment to yourself.

 

[Hastings gull]

Fair points. There have been one or two posters on here who have categorically stated they do not care about dying children.

I have NEVER read any such thing and this is you now trying to salvage some dignity to justify your totally OTT contention.

 

[Soulman]

This is a truly wonderful response to the "holier than thou" arrogance of Nibble. You have absolutely nailed him. Have a word with yourself Nibble, you are an embarrassment to yourself.

Yep.

 

[Mo Gosfield]

Makes me laugh when we have people from the Labour party telling us all that we need to do more on this issue. Should I really listen to anyone from the Labour party when it comes to immigration. That party is the reason lots of us feel the way we do about the issue now and why we have lost compassion.

Quite.
From the moment that they came to power, Blair's government adopted a deliberate ' open-door ' policy on immigration. It was calculating and cynical and it didn't have the interests of the British people at heart. There was a clear agenda in place and it was covered up by statements referring to the need for more manpower in the economy.
No thought was given to where hundreds of thousands would resettle and thus, the majority ended up in the major towns and cities, in their own enclaves. To the point now, instead of multicultural and mixed communities, we have racial and religious divide everywhere. We have no-go areas within towns. We have whole areas where the indigenous population have been forced away because of the total dominance of ethnic groups, in housing, in schooling, in religion and in community life.
We are having to build a new property every 7 minutes for the next 20 years to keep up with demand. 5% of Britain is bursting at the seams, whilst three miles down the road is beautiful countryside. The urban areas are coming under too much pressure. We are a relatively small land mass ( compared to a lot of European countries ) and we have finite resources. We have an optimum population level for this country beyond which quality of life begins to diminish. By that I mean the ability to move goods and services around the country. The ability of people to get to their places of work. The ability of schools to provide the quality of education that we demand and the ability of all healthcare services to cope with our demand.
To allow the population of this small country to rise unabated is the shameful legacy of public servants who do not represent the interests of the electorate.

 

[BadFish]

Pretty disturbing to see the predictable posters on here happy to watch 3 year old children wash up on the beach and still able to turn a blind eye. It's one thing, and can be pitifully amusing sometimes , to read the usual right wingers bang on about immigration and foreigners in their ill informed Alf Garnett fashion but a much darker and frankly revolting proposition to read them happy to ignore the plight of dying people on their doorstep, begging for help.
I don't think it's a far stretch to wonder what they would have done for the Jews in WW2.
These are the posters that love Churchill and bang on about our contribution to the world wars but when they get the chance to display some humanity, when they get the chance to help others in need? Well then it's pull the ladder up, I'm alright jack.
And for them to have the bare faces cheek to say to the more compassionate among us that it's okay cos we won't have to live near it all! It's just trying to make themselves feel better.
These kids are washing up on beaches. Dead children.
Some of you should hang your heads. And I hope when people ask about this period in history and they ask what you did to support the dying refugees, what you did to help your fellow human you are proud to say you told anyone that would listen that you didn't care. Shameful.

this is what it boils down to, all the rest is just muddying the waters as weak excuse for inaction.

The fact is there are millions of people world wide in desperate need of help. When people need help you help them it really is as simple as that. All the rest is just making excuses to stop yourself feeling bad about the shit you are watching on the news. They are terrorists, they are illegal, they are queue jumpers, country shoppers all just labels to dehumanise people so one can sleep at night while pushing the problem onto someone else.

While my grandfather was filled with pride but what he and other did during the second world war I will be feel nothing but shame when my grand children ask me about what we didn't do during this crisis.

Its not about politics its is about helping people in need.

 

[alfredmizen]

Quite.
From the moment that they came to power, Blair's government adopted a deliberate ' open-door ' policy on immigration. It was calculating and cynical and it didn't have the interests of the British people at heart. There was a clear agenda in place and it was covered up by statements referring to the need for more manpower in the economy.
No thought was given to where hundreds of thousands would resettle and thus, the majority ended up in the major towns and cities, in their own enclaves. To the point now, instead of multicultural and mixed communities, we have racial and religious divide everywhere. We have no-go areas within towns. We have whole areas where the indigenous population have been forced away because of the total dominance of ethnic groups, in housing, in schooling, in religion and in community life.
We are having to build a new property every 7 minutes for the next 20 years to keep up with demand. 5% of Britain is bursting at the seams, whilst three miles down the road is beautiful countryside. The urban areas are coming under too much pressure. We are a relatively small land mass ( compared to a lot of European countries ) and we have finite resources. We have an optimum population level for this country beyond which quality of life begins to diminish. By that I mean the ability to move goods and services around the country. The ability of people to get to their places of work. The ability of schools to provide the quality of education that we demand and the ability of all healthcare services to cope with our demand.
To allow the population of this small country to rise unabated is the shameful legacy of public servants who do not represent the interests of the electorate.

Superb post , absolutely nails it, i think this is the policy you mentioned in the highlighted part of your post.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...K-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.html

 

[Nibble]

Don't give me this simplistic nonsense. You can be saddened as anyone to see that terrible image AND be wary of mass immigration. IT is hardly either or. Your clear implication that the usual " right wingers" are unmoved is a disgrace. I see that you arrogantly put yourself in the position of the more compassionate - most ironic given that of all the good folk who contribute on here, you must be in that small handful whose posts are regularly the most abusive and unpleasant. IF you want millions to settle here - and if this crisis appears year on year, who would bet against it - it is perfectly reasonable to question how they are all going to be accommodated. They cannot simply go somewhere - with such numbers, there is going to have to be quite some sacrifice made, and if we go down this route, as presumably you wish, being the loving soul that you claim to be, we need to be able to make suitable provision. This will involve hostels etc near you. This is what is being pointed out and it is very relevant. Naturally on Facebook everyone will be more than willing, but as we both know, nimbyism is something that the vast majority will resort to, if that hostel next door meant that your house price dropped by thousands, just when you needed to sell. This is the reality of life -you might wish to look away and say that you would never be like that.

I have already offered accommodation on some of my land. It is however not quite as simple as just inviting people onto the place. As, quite rightly processes have to be gone through so we can keep track ,where possible ,of who is coming in.

 

[BigGully]

Quite.
From the moment that they came to power, Blair's government adopted a deliberate ' open-door ' policy on immigration. It was calculating and cynical and it didn't have the interests of the British people at heart. There was a clear agenda in place and it was covered up by statements referring to the need for more manpower in the economy.
No thought was given to where hundreds of thousands would resettle and thus, the majority ended up in the major towns and cities, in their own enclaves. To the point now, instead of multicultural and mixed communities, we have racial and religious divide everywhere. We have no-go areas within towns. We have whole areas where the indigenous population have been forced away because of the total dominance of ethnic groups, in housing, in schooling, in religion and in community life.
We are having to build a new property every 7 minutes for the next 20 years to keep up with demand. 5% of Britain is bursting at the seams, whilst three miles down the road is beautiful countryside. The urban areas are coming under too much pressure. We are a relatively small land mass ( compared to a lot of European countries ) and we have finite resources. We have an optimum population level for this country beyond which quality of life begins to diminish. By that I mean the ability to move goods and services around the country. The ability of people to get to their places of work. The ability of schools to provide the quality of education that we demand and the ability of all healthcare services to cope with our demand.
To allow the population of this small country to rise unabated is the shameful legacy of public servants who do not represent the interests of the electorate.

To be fair, I think every major political party dropped 'Nationhood' from their psyche.

Multiculturalism is a term borne out of a mentality that their isn't really a common culture, which in turn offers little resistance to some elements of other cultures that most would find quite uncomfortable, it allows those parts to fester and grow, moreso parts of the Islam religion and no it doesnt mean EVERY muslim.

In my view Labour is more inclined to this flawed premise, but the Tories not wishing to be a 'nasty party' hardly addressed the issues and continues to fail miserably on immigration.

So although I am willing to bemoan Labour and its inadequacies I am not willing just yet to let the Tories of the hook either.

 

[Pork Knuckle Pete]

Pretty disturbing to see the predictable posters on here happy to watch 3 year old children wash up on the beach and still able to turn a blind eye. It's one thing, and can be pitifully amusing sometimes , to read the usual right wingers bang on about immigration and foreigners in their ill informed Alf Garnett fashion but a much darker and frankly revolting proposition to read them happy to ignore the plight of dying people on their doorstep, begging for help.
I don't think it's a far stretch to wonder what they would have done for the Jews in WW2.
These are the posters that love Churchill and bang on about our contribution to the world wars but when they get the chance to display some humanity, when they get the chance to help others in need? Well then it's pull the ladder up, I'm alright jack.
And for them to have the bare faces cheek to say to the more compassionate among us that it's okay cos we won't have to live near it all! It's just trying to make themselves feel better.
These kids are washing up on beaches. Dead children.
Some of you should hang your heads. And I hope when people ask about this period in history and they ask what you did to support the dying refugees, what you did to help your fellow human you are proud to say you told anyone that would listen that you didn't care. Shameful.

Well put. As I said earlier, this crisis is now well beyond petty politics, EU squabbles and immigration issues. These need to be put to one side and a joined up approach and a solution to the rescue and then the recovery of the issue needs to be put in place.

The UK is a wealthy country and can help with the biggest humanitarian crisis on our door step in our life time. Please don't let us down.

 

[Nibble]

Quite.
From the moment that they came to power, Blair's government adopted a deliberate ' open-door ' policy on immigration. It was calculating and cynical and it didn't have the interests of the British people at heart. There was a clear agenda in place and it was covered up by statements referring to the need for more manpower in the economy.
No thought was given to where hundreds of thousands would resettle and thus, the majority ended up in the major towns and cities, in their own enclaves. To the point now, instead of multicultural and mixed communities, we have racial and religious divide everywhere. We have no-go areas within towns. We have whole areas where the indigenous population have been forced away because of the total dominance of ethnic groups, in housing, in schooling, in religion and in community life.
We are having to build a new property every 7 minutes for the next 20 years to keep up with demand. 5% of Britain is bursting at the seams, whilst three miles down the road is beautiful countryside. The urban areas are coming under too much pressure. We are a relatively small land mass ( compared to a lot of European countries ) and we have finite resources. We have an optimum population level for this country beyond which quality of life begins to diminish. By that I mean the ability to move goods and services around the country. The ability of people to get to their places of work. The ability of schools to provide the quality of education that we demand and the ability of all healthcare services to cope with our demand.
To allow the population of this small country to rise unabated is the shameful legacy of public servants who do not represent the interests of the electorate.

A lot of this I agree with. Just because we let a lot of people in great need into the country, this does not mean we have to assimilate them permanently.
Maybe I don't have the "answer" but it's pretty shameful to see people pointing at other countries and saying "but they have only taken this many, they didn't do this, why should we?" Because we can and we should. With the right system in place they can be helped, at least helped enough so that they aren't drowning.

 

[Pork Knuckle Pete]

ahhh , youre mr compassionate now in this guise i see ( this is Herr tubthumpers alter ego).

I have never hidden the fact this is a second account

 

[Pork Knuckle Pete]

Cameron's position on this is indefensible and he is playing politics with people's lives. He is pandering to the right wing, UKIP orientated wing of his party and is allowing the confusion in the public mind and enhanced by media reporting between "immigrants" and "refugees" to maintain his position. Thie longer he maintains this disgraceful stance the more difficult it will be for him to change it. He needs to shift his position pronto.

I rarely agree with you but on this occasion I do.

 

[BigGully]

Well put. As I said earlier, this crisis is now well beyond petty politics, EU squabbles and immigration issues. These need to be put to one side and a joined up approach and a solution to the rescue and then the recovery of the issue needs to be put in place.

The UK is a wealthy country and can help with the biggest humanitarian crisis on our door step in our life time. Please don't let us down.

Why should the privileged that get a place on a boat be helped without question whilst other poor souls throughout the continent of Africa for example should be left with comparatively no help whatsoever, should we scoop them up as well, if not why not ??

I am just trying to fathom your humanitarian threshold here, do you need to be well dressed, well fed, full voiced chanting outside a European train station to receive your proposed support ??

 

[alfredmizen]

I have never hidden the fact this is a second account

well i'd be careful or they'll ban this one as well.

 

[Nibble]

Whatever the reason they are coming, be it our benefits policy, our history of helping people in need, wars they are fleeing, criminal networks they wish to join, trafficked by criminals, no matter how they are getting here be it on unsafe boats, through the tunnel, swimming. They are coming and we need to deal with it with humanity and with saving as many lives as possible.
Believe it or not, I do not believe the majority of them are going to swim up to a beach, dust themselves off and head off to the nearest benefits office. Maybe I'm naive.

 

[Pork Knuckle Pete]

well i'd be careful or they'll ban this one as well.

True. I'll disappear now.

 

[Pork Knuckle Pete]

As an aside I now appear to have a group of refugees living in the children's play ground opposite my apartment.