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[Theatre of Trees]

Right...
So according to one opinion poll, nearly twice as many Leave voters explicitly backed Biden. Presumably 30 % weren’t that interested either way so only 1 in 4 told the opinion pollsters they backed Trump. Thanks

You are correct but it also shows the link between Trump and Leave. Whilst not everybody who supported Leave supports Trump, nearly all of those support Trump voted Leave.

Incidentally, Yougov was co-founded by Nadhim Zahawi

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

You are correct but it also shows the link between Trump and Leave. Whilst not everybody who supported Leave supports Trump, nearly all of those support Trump voted Leave.

Incidentally, Yougov was co-founded by Nadhim Zahawi

What’s your point ? My reasons for voting leave are not invalidated because of your opinion poll. It actually shows a big majority of leave voters who do not care for Trump at all. Perhaps concentrate on the arguments (in the Brexit thread) and stop using the Trump thread to make dog whistling allegations against the winning side in the referendum.

 

[nwgull]

I'll start with education, seeing that I studied it, and I taught for 10 years - In Primary schools the classroom is nearly always set up for boys (consciously and subconsciously) for example the space for boys to play is nearly always in the middle of the room and takes up a lot a of space, while the girls are pushed into the corners. Also there is a often a competitive nature in education that benefits the masculine. Putting up hands to ask questions for example. I won't bore you with studies but they always show the same thing, that boys get way more attention from teachers than girls.

It's easier for a man to walk around and not get raped or sexually assaulted.

There's a pay gap between men and women in the UK.

How many male MP's are there compared to women? CEO's of companies etc?

Education is an interesting one. My missus is a primary head, and she doesn’t see that at all. Her concern is that primary aged boys have a lack of role models in the classroom as most teachers and TAs are women. The lack of opportunity certainly doesn’t play out in the stats for women and men going into higher education: 57% of university students are women.

As for the gender pay gap. This doesn’t exist when comparing similar jobs. Women do earn less overall, but that is down to a choice of career roles that pay less.

 

[Theatre of Trees]

What’s your point ? My reasons for voting leave are not invalidated because of your opinion poll. It actually shows a big majority of leave voters who do not care for Trump at all.

The point being you took umbrage at someone pointing out the links between Leave and Trump. This actually backs up some of your points you were making but it also backs up the arguments of others that you disagreed with and were getting tetchy with. In other words balancing things out.

You probably need to get over it.

Seriously, everytime you and others use this phrase it comes across as being thin skinned and touchy about the subject.

 

[KeithDublin]

Education is an interesting one. My missus is a primary head, and she doesn’t see that at all. Her concern is that primary aged boys have a lack of role models in the classroom as most teachers and TAs are women. The lack of opportunity certainly doesn’t play out in the stats for women and men going into higher education: 57% of university students are women.

As for the gender pay gap. This doesn’t exist when comparing similar jobs. Women do earn less overall, but that is down to a choice of career roles that pay less.

Why do you think that traditionally women's roles pay less?

 

[Juan Albion]

Nicked: Richard "Bigo" Barnett.

"Not guilty, your honor".
Exhibit #1: a note saying "Bigo was here" found on the Speaker's desk.
"Can you explain this, Mr Bigo?"

 

[Doonhamer7]

Education is an interesting one. My missus is a primary head, and she doesn’t see that at all. Her concern is that primary aged boys have a lack of role models in the classroom as most teachers and TAs are women. The lack of opportunity certainly doesn’t play out in the stats for women and men going into higher education: 57% of university students are women.

As for the gender pay gap. This doesn’t exist when comparing similar jobs. Women do earn less overall, but that is down to a choice of career roles that pay less.

Where did you get that info that there in no gender pay gap!! It still exists in many way for people doing the same job

 

[AZ Gull]

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[beorhthelm]

Why do you think that traditionally women's roles pay less?

taking jobs that are part time, lower responsibilities, or less interest in high level senior positions. like for like the pay gap all but disappears. some role/age groups women are paid more.

 

[Juan Albion]

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You've got to love the fact that she wrote a book called "Licensed to Lie".

I believe another voting machine company has already filed suit against her, too.

 

[Weststander]

taking jobs that are part time, low responsibilities, or less interest in high level senior positions. like for like the pay gap all but disappears. some role/age groups women are paid more.

Career breaks for bringing up kids is also a factor. Many employers for example in the professions, favour the male who’s there for the long haul. Even though for legal reasons they’re never going to admit that.

I’m not condoning that, but it’s a reality.

 

[nwgull]

Where did you get that info that there in no gender pay gap!! It still exists in many way for people doing the same job

ONS. In fact their summary states 'The gender pay gap remained close to zero for full-time employees aged under 40 years', and that isn't accounting for different career choices. Pay gap over 40 is down to a number of factors, but choices relating to family life is one of the major ones.

 

[nwgull]

Why do you think that traditionally women's roles pay less?

I don't see men's jobs or women's jobs, just jobs. Both men and women have the same opportunities to pursue whatever career they want to these days.

 

[KeithDublin]

taking jobs that are part time, lower responsibilities, or less interest in high level senior positions. like for like the pay gap all but disappears. some role/age groups women are paid more.

I was talking about traditional female role like nursing and teaching that get paid horribly, in part due to a society that traditionally see's these as secondary roles to the 'breadwinning' male roles.

You mention that women don't go for high level senior positions, do you think that's because of laziness or do you think perhaps that women are told not to take risks and go for those higher paying jobs?

 

[Guinness Boy]

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Ah yes, throwback to the day "left wing" Dan posted Trump propaganda. About a month or so after anti-vaxxer Dan admitted he'd had his own kids jabbed.

 

[drew]

ONS. In fact their summary states 'The gender pay gap remained close to zero for full-time employees aged under 40 years', and that isn't accounting for different career choices. Pay gap over 40 is down to a number of factors, but choices relating to family life is one of the major ones.

Always a good idea to post a link for things like this and also not to only quote sections that distort the truth.

The part you quoted went on to say that for over 40s the gap was over 10%.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentan...s/genderpaygapintheuk/2020#the-gender-pay-gap

 

[Juan Albion]

Always a good idea to post a link for things like this and also not to only quote sections that distort the truth.

The part you quoted went on to say that for over 40s the gap was over 10%.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentan...s/genderpaygapintheuk/2020#the-gender-pay-gap

What is Trump's connection to this?

 

[drew]

I don't see men's jobs or women's jobs, just jobs. Both men and women have the same opportunities to pursue whatever career they want to these days.

Having the same opportunity to pursue the same jobs probably doesn't equate to the same likelihood of getting them as that is dependent on the attitude of the decision maker for the employer!

 

[drew]

What is Trump's connection to this?

To be honest, I haven't a clue as I haven't been following the thread all day. I'm guessing somewhere along the lines there has been some reference to patriarchal society and the orange one's attitude to everything. I just posted a response to Nwgull.

I'll go back a few pages and in the meantime hopefully the thread will get back on track!!!

 

[Juan Albion]

To be honest, I haven't a clue as I haven't been following the thread all day. I'm guessing somewhere along the lines there has been some reference to patriarchal society and the orange one's attitude to everything. I just posted a response to Nwgull.

I'll go back a few pages and in the meantime hopefully the thread will get back on track!!!

I was just being sarcy.