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[Tyrone Biggums]

They LITERALLY rigged the primaries last time around to take Bernie out for Hillary and they lost. Bernie is once again starting to edge ahead in a lot of polls, we all KNOW it's going to happen again to get Warren in there or Biden. Why do we trust any of these people?

Well it's all about the corrupt as **** Clintons still pulling strings.

She was behind rigging the primaries and then having the joke of a Steele Dossier created that all the pathetic media outlets ran with as a truth rather than a dossier of fiction.

Trump has far less power within the Republican Party than Hilary still seems to have over the Democrats.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

Again, not what I asked.

Go on, have one last try.

It's been answered.

Just because you can't understand someone highlighting historical precedent as to why it would/could/should be overlooked is on you.

 

[Robot Chicken]

Trump unveils the 'Deal of the Century' peace proposal today between Israel and the Arab "palestinians". That will be the big news of the day.

 

[Albion my Albion]

Well it's all about the corrupt as **** Clintons still pulling strings.

She was behind rigging the primaries and then having the joke of a Steele Dossier created that all the pathetic media outlets ran with as a truth rather than a dossier of fiction.

Trump has far less power within the Republican Party than Hilary still seems to have over the Democrats.

All blatant lies propagated by conservative media including Fox News.

 

[CHAPPERS]

As if Biden wasn’t going to run ever since 2016.


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[vegster]

Trump unveils the 'Deal of the Century' peace proposal today between Israel and the Arab "palestinians". That will be the big news of the day.

Marvellous, about time someone came along and decided to solve the Arab/Israeli problem. Let's hope it's all sorted by the weekend.
Can see it now..." Nobody knows more than me about the Arab/ Israeli situation because I've looked at it... "

 

[sparkie]

Trump unveils the 'Deal of the Century' peace proposal today between Israel and the Arab "palestinians". That will be the big news of the day.

Transparent stunt because he's in potential trouble with the calls for Bolton to be allowed to testify at the impeachment.

There will be no substance behind the headline.

 

[sydney]

Marvellous, about time someone came along and decided to solve the Arab/Israeli problem. Let's hope it's all sorted by the weekend.
Can see it now..." Nobody knows more than me about the Arab/ Israeli situation because I've looked at it... "

prrffftttt.....yearp...it really is a worry aint it , meanwhile Yemen & Syria are still getting pummelled.....it didn't stop just because of the Oz bushfires or because the Corona virus broke out ...... but we will placate Hamas , maybe it will get us some building contracts down the track.....ffs.

 

[Grombleton]

It's been answered.

Just because you can't understand someone highlighting historical precedent as to why it would/could/should be overlooked is on you.

Christ it's like communicating with a dolphin. You haven't answered the question, you merely answered it with a question.

 

[CHAPPERS]

So when the Ukrainian's said they had no idea the funding was being withheld would that not indicate that they had no idea the funding was being withheld and that they were supposed to do something to get it?

It makes the idea of quid pro quo laughable when one of the participants that's supposed to be part of the quid pro quo agreement has no idea it's a thing.

So if someone is being bribed but doesn't realise it then are the people bribing them guilty of bribery or not?

 

[Stato]

So when the Ukrainian's said they had no idea the funding was being withheld would that not indicate that they had no idea the funding was being withheld and that they were supposed to do something to get it?

It makes the idea of quid pro quo laughable when one of the participants that's supposed to be part of the quid pro quo agreement has no idea it's a thing.

You can't hit a moving target eh?

Every time someone points out that one of your defences of Trump doesn't stand up, you fail to address it and introduce another Trump camp talking point. This one has, of course, also already been debunked: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/20/trump-impeachment-testimony-laura-cooper-ukraine-aid

Next!

 

[Mellotron]

Er ... no. That's not how a trial works

You are ludicrously literal, aren't you?

 

[Albion my Albion]

You can't hit a moving target eh?

Every time someone points out that one of your defences of Trump doesn't stand up, you fail to address it and introduce another Trump camp talking point. This one has, of course, also already been debunked: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/20/trump-impeachment-testimony-laura-cooper-ukraine-aid

Next!

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It won't end until the election or maybe if they allow testimony from Bolton and others that Trump is removed from office.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

You can't hit a moving target eh?

Every time someone points out that one of your defences of Trump doesn't stand up, you fail to address it and introduce another Trump camp talking point. This one has, of course, also already been debunked: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/nov/20/trump-impeachment-testimony-laura-cooper-ukraine-aid

Next!

What do you mean they don't stand up?

You're literally parroting CNN and MSNBC talking heads.

Take Democrat and Republican news outlets away and there's plenty of independent journalists stating exactly what I'm stating.

It's all a load of shit that will go no where. Just like what was predicted with the totally bogus Russiagate.

Laura Cooper wasn't in on the phone call so that's what's called "guessing" when she states her opinion.

So it hasn't been debunked. It's been proven though that most of the Democrats witnesses had zero first had knowledge of what they were speaking of. Anecdotal "evidence" counts for nothing.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

So if someone is being bribed but doesn't realise it then are the people bribing them guilty of bribery or not?

It's only bribery if you don't get what was offered/requested without fulfilling the stipulations.

In this case the aid was released with nothing coming back the other way.

That would indicate no bribery occured.

 

[Stato]

Laura Cooper wasn't in on the phone call so that's what's called "guessing" when she states her opinion.

From that Guardian piece: “On July 25, a member of my staff got a question from a Ukraine embassy contact asking what was going on with Ukraine security assistance,” Cooper testified.

When you are trying to pretend that things say what they don't say, be aware that the people you are trying to convince might be able to read.

I'll leave you to it now. From my point of view you are too far down the Trump rabbit hole to ever be willing to admit any failing in the glorious leader and I'm sure you think something similar about me. Let's end on common ground, we may completely disagree on US politics, but I seem to remember from previous threads that we may be in close agreement on who were the greatest band in the world ever. This one was inspired by Ray's visit to his sister and brother-in-law's new home down under:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kt0IXkIVvo4

 

[bhafc99]

Christ it's like communicating with a dolphin. You haven't answered the question, you merely answered it with a question.

That's totally unfair.

A LOT more progress has been made in communicating with dolphins than it has with Tyrone Biggums on this thread.

 

[Klaas]

Don't mind me, just popped in to set my watch by TB being wrong about something. Carry on.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

From that Guardian piece: “On July 25, a member of my staff got a question from a Ukraine embassy contact asking what was going on with Ukraine security assistance,” Cooper testified.

When you are trying to pretend that things say what they don't say, be aware that the people you are trying to convince might be able to read.

I'll leave you to it now. From my point of view you are too far down the Trump rabbit hole to ever be willing to admit any failing in the glorious leader and I'm sure you think something similar about me. Let's end on common ground, we may completely disagree on US politics, but I seem to remember from previous threads that we may be in close agreement on who were the greatest band in the world ever. This one was inspired by Ray's visit to his sister and brother-in-law's new home down under:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kt0IXkIVvo4

The fact it says 'asking what was going on with Ukraine security assistance" clearly shows Ukraine has zero idea that there is some quid pro quo apparently going on.

Do you comprehend that?

So well done on proving that there was no quid pro quo by highlighting Ukraine was not aware of it.

I'm in no rabbit hole. I'm not viewing it from some Blue/Red point of view.


Are you unable to understand there's a grey view that encapsulates all the independent views that aren't clouded by a red/blue bias?

By quoting the Guardian you're spouting the red view.

Go back to the Election thread and I've openly declared I'd vote for a third party in US elections.

 

[carlzeiss]

https://www.nationalreview.com/news...ues-dnc-over-commissioning-of-steele-dossier/

Former Trump Aide Carter Page Sues DNC over Commissioning of Steele Dossier

Former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page is suing the Democratic National Committee over its commissioning of the infamous and largely discredited Steele dossier, which the FBI used to obtain warrants to surveil him during the 2016 election cycle.

Page filed a lawsuit Thursday in federal court in Illinois against the DNC as well as the law firm Perkins Coie and its partners, who contracted opposition research firm Fusion GPS to compile the the dossier on the DNC’s behalf. The suit accuses the defendants of pursuing a “political agenda” by using “false information, misrepresentations and other misconduct to direct the power of the international intelligence apparatus and the media industry against” Page.

“This is a first step to ensure that the full extent of the FISA abuse that has occurred during the last few years is exposed and remedied,” Page’s attorney John Pierce said Thursday. “Defendants and those they worked with inside the federal government did not and will not succeed in making America a surveillance state.”

The dossier, which contained allegations that then-candidate Donald Trump conspired with Russia as well along side salacious details about his personal life, was a “central and essential” piece of the FBI’s application to procure multiple warrants from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act Court to surveil Page.

The largely uncorroborated report was compiled by former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele, who was investigating Trump for an opposition research firm hired by the DNC and Hillary Clinton’s 2016 campaign, with law firm Perkins Coie as a funding middle man.

“This is only the first salvo. We will follow the evidence wherever it leads, no matter how high,” Pierce added. “The rule of law will prevail.”


Last month, the Justice Department’s inspector general concluded that the FBI omitted crucial details in its requests for warrants to surveil Page and neglected to inform the FISA Court that the dossier was unreliable.

The FBI found Steele’s information about a Russian government connection to be dubious but declined to mention as much in the later applications to the FISA court for warrants to surveil Page.