Trump

[vegster]

Trump on tour in Ireland...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1136306789077721095

CLASS

Classic Twitter response.....

"Dear USA,

We actually give up.
Come and take this cretin away.
We are all dumber for his presence in our country.

Regards,

Ireland."

 

[Blue3]

Mr Trump appears to be a not very nice person however he is the elected President of the most powerful nation in the world he was invited on behalf of a panicky government by the Queen and as such has and rightly so received the honour attributed to a head of state as part of a state visit.

The governments fawning over him has been embarrassing as to was Mr Corbyns speech to the protesters, his not attending of the state banquet was one thing but his shouting speech was not dignified he should done as Vince a Cable did and keep a low profile.

Take back control from the EU and hand it straight over to the USA only with less control

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Aren't your prescriptions FREE?

Yes, for now. The Tories are already talking about removing the triple lock on pensions, and it's only a small step to privatising prescriptions.
Already cheaper less effective drugs are being used.

 

[birthofanorange]

Mr Trump appears to be a not very nice person however he is the elected President of the most powerful nation in the world he was invited on behalf of a panicky government by the Queen and as such has and rightly so received the honour attributed to a head of state as part of a state visit.

The governments fawning over him has been embarrassing as to was Mr Corbyns speech to the protesters, his not attending of the state banquet was one thing but his shouting speech was not dignified he should done as Vince a Cable did and keep a low profile.

Take back control from the EU and hand it straight over to the USA only with less control

Not sure what you mean, but I'll go along with 'Mr.Trump appears to be a not very nice person'.

 

[Hastings gull]

It will stay as the NHS, without mandatory private insurance.

The moment any major party suggests adopting the German model explained by @HT, they’d be lambasted as trying to break up the NHS.

HT and I agree on very little, but on this we do, as we both have extensive experience of the German system, and believe me, without any axe to grind, it is far better that than what we have to put up with. But one has to be prepared to pay more and we brits do like things on the cheap. And, yes, you are right, sadly - the moment anyone suggests anything that might be perceived as a break-up of the NHS, the other party will lambast them and benefit at the next election, because most folk know no different. If only it would be less of a political football.

 

[nicko31]

Mr Trump appears to be a not very nice person however he is the elected President of the most powerful nation in the world he was invited on behalf of a panicky government by the Queen and as such has and rightly so received the honour attributed to a head of state as part of a state visit.

The governments fawning over him has been embarrassing as to was Mr Corbyns speech to the protesters, his not attending of the state banquet was one thing but his shouting speech was not dignified he should done as Vince a Cable did and keep a low profile.

Take back control from the EU and hand it straight over to the USA only with less control

Corbyn got it all wrong, spoke at and protest and then asked for a meeting with Trump. What a fool....

 

[knocky1]

Are you insinuating that Jordan Peterson is alt right? He has repeatedly said that he is not, and that he is not political at all. Rather, he is a clinical psychologist with a massive interest in human behaviour, both individuals and as groups, with conclusions drawn on evidence. He is also mightily clever, which is why a surly, aggressive inerviewer, whose points are based on ill-founded politically correct notions, will always come unstuck against him.

No I didn’t insinuate I stated.
I have never found Cathy Newman to be a surly and aggressive interviewer. Are you scared of women? Any other massive and mightily clever, non political clinical psychologists you follow.?

 

[Greg Bobkin]

And if anyone doesn't believe what an utter ****wit this man is, he's just compared the NI border issue with his Mexico wall live on television.

Had to be reminded WE DON'T WANT A WALL.

Sent from my MAR-LX1A using Tapatalk

He doesn't have a CLUE what he's talking about. But don't worry, because "the border will work out". Yeah, OK mate...

 

[Juan Albion]

Corbyn got it all wrong, spoke at and protest and then asked for a meeting with Trump. What a fool....

You have the order wrong. So who's the fool?

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

Are you laughing because you think Peterson is Alt Right?

Clearly you haven’t read his work. Hell, you may have not even watched him on YouTube.

 

[PeterOut]

it's already started - there's a Subway at Royal Sussex County Hospital

Subway is a franchise.
Anyone can buy a franchise (provided they have the cash).
RSCH bought the Subway franchise - the profits from it offset the cost of running the hospital, and help to provide better care.

 

[Dr Bandler]

No I didn’t insinuate I stated.
I have never found Cathy Newman to be a surly and aggressive interviewer. Are you scared of women? Any other massive and mightily clever, non political clinical psychologists you follow.?

Yes, I am scared of women. And men.

As for other clever psychologists I follow - Richard Bandler comes to mind, although you might find him genuinely scary.

Please provide your evidence if you are going to label Peterson alt right.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

So with your knowledge of both systems, which would you advise (should you have the power!) the UK to adopt?

I think the NHS at delivery is amazing but have also reached the conclusion we will never be able to fund it to the level most people would like unless we, some way or other, pay in more whether via tax or other mechanism (and that it stops becoming a political football). The question is how?

We can debate the merits of the way the German system is administered versus the NHS but this wasn’t my point. The bottom line is that Germans pay far more of their tax on healthcare than the UK. It’s currently 15.5%, 7.3% of which is covered by the employer. This far outstrips the UK. For this:

“According to the Euro health consumer index Germany has long had the most restriction-free and consumer-oriented healthcare system in Europe. Patients are allowed to seek almost any type of care they wish whenever they want it.[10] The governmental health system in Germany is currently keeping a record reserve of more than 18 billion Euros, which makes it one of the healthiest health systems in the world.[11]”

The harsh reality is that if you want decent healthcare, you will have to pay for it. But there are benefits, short term it might be more but I won’t need to flog my house to pay for a retirement home.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

He is in good company then with most of our politicians.
At least he tries to put the national interest first and work with American business people, as opposed to this country, where incentive is negligible and the only people that seem to matter are the tax dodging corporations/multi-nationals, bankers and the public sector. **** the real wealth creators, the 5m small and medium sized businesses, who are the real life blood of this country. Still, a lot of people on this thread wouldn't have a scooby doo about running a business, so this rant washes over their heads anyway. They are so wrapped up in their own micro importance and prejudice that they have only got to hear his name and they fall into paroxysms of bile and venom.

While I don't disagree with your general point, I am not sure that the "public sector" would be included in the list of things that matter to the government - and I realise you are not talking about just the government.


All our Public Services are being horrendously squeezed at the moment and those who work in them put under enormous pressure, and I speak from having a wife who spent all her working life in education, and two daughters plus partners all in public service - a doctor, a teacher, a Customs officer and a manager in Local Government. They are all criminally underfunded, horribly underresourced and plenty of members of the current government would be totally unsympathetic about it all, still maintaining that things are better funded than they have ever been, and calling for greater efficiencies and less waste.

There is only so much you can cut!

 

[knocky1]

Yes, I am scared of women. And men.

As for other clever psychologists I follow - Richard Bandler comes to mind, although you might find him genuinely scary.

Please provide your evidence if you are going to label Peterson alt right.

Not wishing to join his followers in reading any more of his online facts I would just say that my answer would be in the vein of “Marx wasn’t a communist”.

 

[GOM]

We can debate the merits of the way the German system is administered versus the NHS but this wasn’t my point. The bottom line is that Germans pay far more of their tax on healthcare than the UK. It’s currently 15.5%, 7.3% of which is covered by the employer. This far outstrips the UK. For this:

“According to the Euro health consumer index Germany has long had the most restriction-free and consumer-oriented healthcare system in Europe. Patients are allowed to seek almost any type of care they wish whenever they want it.[10] The governmental health system in Germany is currently keeping a record reserve of more than 18 billion Euros, which makes it one of the healthiest health systems in the world.[11]”

The harsh reality is that if you want decent healthcare, you will have to pay for it. But there are benefits, short term it might be more but I won’t need to flog my house to pay for a retirement home.

Genuinely interested. The NHS annual budget is as far as I know (happy to be corrected) somewhere over £120bn. Germany has a higher population but not too disproportionate, so, how much does the German healthcare system/model raise/spend.

Would be interesting as a rough comparison to see how much more we need to contribute to the NHS to bring it up to a similar level.

 

[Gwylan]

Genuinely interested. The NHS annual budget is as far as I know (happy to be corrected) somewhere over £120bn. Germany has a higher population but not too disproportionate, so, how much does the German healthcare system/model raise/spend.

Would be interesting as a rough comparison to see how much more we need to contribute to the NHS to bring it up to a similar level.

€375 billion - about £330 billion


http://www.gbe-bund.de/oowa921-inst...mmer=522&p_sprache=E&p_indsp=-&p_aid=35175597

If your £120 billion is correct, then Germany spends roughly twice as much as us per capita

EDIT: Just checked and we spend about £155 billion on NHS (£120 bn is just England). That means that Germany spends about 65% more than us per capita

 

[vegster]

While I don't disagree with your general point, I am not sure that the "public sector" would be included in the list of things that matter to the government - and I realise you are not talking about just the government.


All our Public Services are being horrendously squeezed at the moment and those who work in them put under enormous pressure, and I speak from having a wife who spent all her working life in education, and two daughters plus partners all in public service - a doctor, a teacher, a Customs officer and a manager in Local Government. They are all criminally underfunded, horribly underresourced and plenty of members of the current government would be totally unsympathetic about it all, still maintaining that things are better funded than they have ever been, and calling for greater efficiencies and less waste.

There is only so much you can cut!

I still struggle to see how we manage to be the 5th biggest economy in the world yet accept the crumbling health, education and public services without a whimper?

 

[GOM]

€375 billion - about £330 billion


http://www.gbe-bund.de/oowa921-inst...mmer=522&p_sprache=E&p_indsp=-&p_aid=35175597

If your £120 billion is correct, then Germany spends roughly twice as much as us per capita

EDIT: Just checked and we spend about £155 billion on NHS (£120 bn is just England). That means that Germany spends about 65% more than us per capita

Wow, that's quite a sizeable amount more. Not sure how an increase to match that would be financed (or accepted) under our current financing model.

 

[Gwylan]

Wow, that's quite a sizeable amount more. Not sure how an increase to match that would be financed (or accepted) under our current financing model.

I'm not an expert in this but I note that the UK spends nearly £200 billion on healthcare - just over £40 bn on private health (something that's almost unknown in Germany). When you take that into account, the differential isn't so great (it's about 30% more).

A lot of that spend on private health is from company's private health plans - something not so different from Germany's tax on employers - that's one area to explore.

You're also not comparing like with like: I think (and Herr T can correct me here) that Germany's figure includes holistic medicine, even things like yoga classes - that aren't in the UK figure. Add those and we'd be a lot closer to the German model