Trump rally called off-chaos and fighting

[alfredmizen]

I think they'd get on actually. There are plenty of similarities.

Whatever we think of Putin he isn't stupid, trump is , however trump has made a small fortune in business, the only trouble is he started with a large one.

 

[looney]

i would prefer it if you didnt

Its prob a form of intimidation/threatening behaviour which was what I was getting at.

#Pats Pasta' on his curly ginger haired bonce.#

 

[Triggaaar]

Putin would outmanoeuvre a simpleton like trump so easily it wouldn't be funny.

True enough, but that probably applies to quite a few US presidents.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

I didnt say protests should not be allowed,people should protest against him, but many of these protesters deliberately set out to have him silenced and shut down,that my friend is not democracy.

All protests have a fringe that want to cause trouble, so did ours against Archer and Bellotti, always a shame when that becomes the story instead of the subject of the protest.

But when it comes to hate speech, yes it should be shut down. Just as in the same way I don't think muslim extremists should have a platform in Britain, not be given time on television, be allowed to address stadiums full of supporters nor preach their hate in our universities.

If your version of democracy allows you to give everyone a platform regardless, then fair play to you, I admire that ideology. I think its dangerous though.

 

[alfredmizen]

True enough, but that probably applies to quite a few US presidents.

maybe George Dubya, but I think a lot of people are guilty of a misplaced sense of superiority over Americans both people,presidents and diplomats,which presidents would you have in mind ?

 

[Triggaaar]

maybe George Dubya, but I think a lot of people are guilty of a misplaced sense of superiority over Americans both people,presidents and diplomats,which presidents would you have in mind ?

All of them. I certainly don't think we're superior, we're probably worse at getting what's right for our country. I just think Russia are doing a better job of getting what they want than the US are at the moment.

 

[BadFish]

I'm with you on this. Trump is an opportunist, the Berlusconi of the GOP. He has no views himself, but knows that the disaffected in the US are looking for someone to follow who will be 'strong' and says what they want to hear.

If he gets into power it will be cronyism and little more, he's far less likely to press the button than Cruz.

This, he has nothing to say and doesn't even stick by that. Saying what he thinks will get him elected on a ticket of hate and fear.

The worst part of it all is that people are stupid enough to vote for him. The protesters have to take their part in the blame for this. The enemy of my enemy is my friend and all that. The world has gone mad.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Politician get's slated for telling a few home truth's shocker !!
regards
DR

 

[wellquickwoody]

Now that is fxxkin rich coming from you!

 

[Thunder Bolt]

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[LlcoolJ]

All of them. I certainly don't think we're superior, we're probably worse at getting what's right for our country. I just think Russia are doing a better job of getting what they want than the US are at the moment.

How exactly? Putin is good at getting what's right for himself and his mates but is totally useless at getting what's "right for the country" as he doesn't care about that.

He's using the old "screw the peasants, they'll still support me while I'm creating wars" trick and it's currently working well for him.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-28/russia-s-economy-faces-long-term-decline

 

[Triggaaar]

How exactly? Putin is good at getting what's right for himself and his mates but is totally useless at getting what's "right for the country" as he doesn't care about that.

I doubt he cares about the people, but his land grabbing is good for Russia and I imagine he'd like to be remembered as someone who got land back for Russia etc.

 

[LlcoolJ]

I doubt he cares about the people, but his land grabbing is good for Russia and I imagine he'd like to be remembered as someone who got land back for Russia etc.

But how is the land grabbing good for Russia when the economy is tanking? It's a distraction to keep people onside as their lives go to shite.

I'm sure Putin does want to go down in history as a hero but I'm also sure that staying in power Mugabe style and playing the dictator are bigger issues to him than what people think when he's dead.

 

[Triggaaar]

But how is the land grabbing good for Russia when the economy is tanking?

Well it's not going to magically fix the economy, but the economy would be just as bad if they weren't annexing parts of the Ukraine. Long term I'd think having the extra land and naval bases would be good for Russia.

I'm sure Putin does want to go down in history as a hero but I'm also sure that staying in power Mugabe style and playing the dictator are bigger issues to him than what people think when he's dead.

I agree that staying in power is a big deal to him, but he seems a lot better at pretending his dictatorship is legitimate than Mugabe was. No doubt he'd like the economy to be good, but that doesn't appear to be in his skill set. Posturing and taking advantage of weak foreign opposition seem more his forte though.

 

[LlcoolJ]

Well it's not going to magically fix the economy, but the economy would be just as bad if they weren't annexing parts of the Ukraine. Long term I'd think having the extra land and naval bases would be good for Russia.

I agree that staying in power is a big deal to him, but he seems a lot better at pretending his dictatorship is legitimate than Mugabe was. No doubt he'd like the economy to be good, but that doesn't appear to be in his skill set. Posturing and taking advantage of weak foreign opposition seem more his forte though.

Long term it seems that a strong military may well be all they'll have. Which I agree will suit Putin just fine, but isn't "good for Russia". Completely in agreement with the last paragraph.

 

[sir albion]

Well it's not going to magically fix the economy, but the economy would be just as bad if they weren't annexing parts of the Ukraine. Long term I'd think having the extra land and naval bases would be good for Russia.

I agree that staying in power is a big deal to him, but he seems a lot better at pretending his dictatorship is legitimate than Mugabe was. No doubt he'd like the economy to be good, but that doesn't appear to be in his skill set. Posturing and taking advantage of weak foreign opposition seem more his forte though.

Rather like the west then?
Of course the west would never do such a thing would they

 

[Triggaaar]

Rather like the west then?
Of course the west would never do such a thing would they

I don't particularly look up to the west. They try and topple governments and wage war for their own gains, but I don't think they're trying to both invade and annex foreign land.

 

[Wrong-Direction]

I've just watched that programme about him that was on a couple of months back. It'll be shame for the human race to come so far and then the world to end because a few naive, unintelligent halfwits vote in a complete nutjob. Firstly more wars will be declared before a civil war breaks out and then one of the "Big red buttons" is pressed. Goodbye world.

 

[brighton fella]

In fairness you do really have to judge a politician on their words,whether they are right or wrong or even a wrong choice of words.

Judging by what he has said and our standards he is a bit of a dick,but then i can see his appeal by what he has said to millions of Americans,many feel completely ostracised and ignored by the political class.You ignore mass feelings like this at your peril.

What he says or proposes though is not important,whats important is that his beliefs are democratically challenged and debated,shutting down his rally because you dont like what he is saying is fascism.I hope this is stamped out immediately in the US,these ideas cross the pond and before you know it vile twits like Weyman Bennett and his mental supporters will actually believe they have a mandate to shut down free speech and only hear what they want to believe,while at the moment they simply believe that happens to be the case anyway

the point i was trying to make was the amount of fuss being made over this man is pathetic and completely OTT, anyone would think he was some kind of psychopathic mass murderer when in fact he opposes war and especially the current one in syria.
what also gets my goat is hardly any shite at all was dished out to bush and blair yet look what that pair of c*nts went on to do, even to this current day f all hardly gets said, . the establishment get given a free license to kill.yet trump because he isn't exactly establishment takes a pasting of a lifetime for doing relatively f all.

 

[symyjym]

I've just watched that programme about him that was on a couple of months back. It'll be shame for the human race to come so far and then the world to end because a few naive, unintelligent halfwits vote in a complete nutjob. Firstly more wars will be declared before a civil war breaks out and then one of the "Big red buttons" is pressed. Goodbye world.