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[The Spanish]

Ooh, did they say some naughty words to upset people? If that sort thing happened at a game, I'd call for instant EXECUTION. Hangings too good for people who say things I don't like.

Perhaps some of these soldiers will suffer from trauma later in life, perhaps it will be exacerbated by coming home to abuse. It is not calling the ref a wanker, it is far more serious than that.

Dont make yourself look an idiot, showing off.

 

[pork pie]

I must say..... Those armed soldiers must be really scared of the cardboard placards! They could hurt someone!

Oh, how funny you are mate!

Those soldiers would not have live ammo anyway.

Whatever the rights or wrongs of the war in Iraq, these soldiers are doing their duty and risking their lives fighting for our country.

They should not be subjected to abuse from scum like that!

The worst thing is when there was trouble, the only two that got nicked were standing up for the squadies!

 

[The Merry Prankster]

I think people have just about had enough of these idiots now. Civil law will take over soon. If you want to live here embrace our culture and beliefs , if not f*** OFF.

What does "civil law will soon take over" mean? It's nonsense. And as far as the war goes I don't embrace "our culture and beliefs".

I also think I should be free to protest when I disagree with something (I belief it is my democratic right) and if I should be free to protest so should they.

I just cannot dig your fascist groove thang.

 

[DIFFBROOK]

I really hate this political correctness. Personally I think we bend over backwards not to offend so called minorities. If it were the other way around and the Muslim comminity were marching through Luton about Islam or whatever, do you honestly think that a protest would be allowed from non muslims protesting about it. Of course not, the Police would have either demanded that it didn't go ahead or the protest would have had to be carried out in some other part of town. It would be done for public safety reasons

In political correct Britain on the other hand we allow Muslims to demonstrate in the face of soldiers. Absolutely disgusting. Yes freedom of speech, but there are limits. Public order, hatred being a few of them

The home secretary should call in the Police Commissioner and demand why he allowed the protest, there in the street.

Yes, I can see trouble ahead somewhere. Because the majority see an uneven handedness in society today

 

[The Cardinal]

Perhaps some of these soldiers will suffer from trauma later in life, perhaps it will be exacerbated by coming home to abuse. It is not calling the ref a wanker, it is far more serious than that.

Dont make yourself look an idiot, showing off.

And Brown would never be so crass or cynical as to stage a parade to cover up an illegal and unpopular war would he? If people actually care about PTSD or similar issues then campaign about it and pressure the government to look after our service people properly, don't engage in false flag bollocks like this.

After the Falklands parades Thatcher did f*ck all for servicement returning from that war - look up the number of cases of suicide or mental collapse by veterans and then choose who to vent your anger on.

 

[The Spanish]

Oh, how funny you are mate!

Those soldiers would not have live ammo anyway.

Whatever the rights or wrongs of the war in Iraq, these soldiers are doing their duty and risking their lives fighting for our country.

They should not be subjected to abuse from scum like that!

The worst thing is when there was trouble, the only two that got nicked were standing up for the squadies!

hahaha the placards on the back of walkers crisps boxes. wonder where they got them from.


they are just jealous as the soldiers will be out on the piss pulling birds tonight and they will be stuck indoors after mosque with their mysogyny and lack of connection with the society they are in purely for financial reasons, deciding to support people they have no connection with, because of their identity crisis caused by not quite thinking through the implications of emigration.

 

[Was not Was]

I disagree with the protesters.

But the reaction to them in the tabloids and on here worries me. It seems to boil down to "if you disagree with me and you're not white and English-over-many-generations, then you don't have the right to express that view", or even "... then you don't deserve to live in the same country as me".

Why on earth does someone's right to express a view depend on their skin colour? Who are you to decide what is acceptably English?

All of this means that I end up having to defend the protesters, instead of arguing against them, which I'd much rather do.

Which seems to me to prove that bigotry is counter-productive ...

 

[The Spanish]

And Brown would never be so crass or cynical as to stage a parade to cover up an illegal and unpopular war would he? If people actually care about PTSD or similar issues then campaign about it and pressure the government to look after our service people properly, don't engage in false flag bollocks like this.

After the Falklands parades Thatcher did f*ck all for servicement returning from that war - look up the number of cases of suicide or mental collapse by veterans and then choose who to vent your anger on.

you can vent your anger on both mate, in degrees of seriousness like you state. This thread is not about government/MOD provision for returning servicemen.

False flag bollocks my arse. Blaming any expression of disapproval for dissent from overall consensus cannot always be brushed off as false flag bollocks, or the other tedious unimaginitive shorthand favourite on here, 'Daily Mail' views.

 

[The Spanish]

I disagree with the protesters.

But the reaction to them in the tabloids and on here worries me. It seems to boil down to "if you disagree with me and you're not white and English-over-many-generations, then you don't have the right to express that view", or even "... then you don't deserve to live in the same country as me".

Why on earth does someone's right to express a view depend on their skin colour? Who are you to decide what is acceptably English?

All of this means that I end up having to defend the protesters, instead of arguing against them, which I'd much rather do.

Which seems to me to prove that bigotry is counter-productive ...

dear oh dear. You must move in some very white English-over-many-generations circles yourself if you think it is only that sector of society who feels a bit fed up with and irritated by radical islamists.

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

Obviously these Muslim guys knew that their actions would get them noticed and quite possibly lynched which is obviously want they WANT. Taking such massive personal risks, shouting at the Anglians things like "child murderers" and "Anglians burn in hell" on a public street thronged with people there for patriotic reasons was designed to be inflammatory. Dont forget that the desired outcome here is for society to become destabilised, to turn briton against briton and to encourage civil unrest to the extent that islam can force its way to political prominence with the government turning to the imams to restore order, presumably to the extent that it is allowed to affect policy in regard to Islamist influence.

Islam is not just a religion it is, in fact, a blueprint for how society should work, there are instructions for the faithful that they must not rest until the state becomes islamic as this is the only acceptable solution for humanity in the eyes of Allah. A politicised religion really is the most potent of all influences as it encourages Muslim activists will operate within the political dimension, and where possible turn it on itself, whilst at the same time claiming they are acting on instruction from God so must be respected for doing so and allowed religious freedoms to spout the most appalling bile.

I know this was only 20 protesters but lookl at the impact they have made it is precisely because we have free speech and an entitlement to peaceful protest that these characters can do this sort of thing and they WILL use it against the rest of society when and where they can.

Personally I fail to see how we can ban people like Gert Willders the dutch anti islamic MP from entering this country, when invited to address peers in the Lords and show a film in private, on the grounds that is likely to cause civil disturbance caused by Muslim activists, and yet at the same time, only a few weeks later, grant permission for Muslims to stage an anti war protest at an event where civil disturbance is inevitable as a consequence.

Be very careful here people, these guys are clever, brave and determined. There will come a time in the very near future where this type of provocative action will inspire a backlash which will escalate into violence and disorder on a large scale. The way we deal with this should be the same way we would deal with far right groups requesting permission to demonstrate and shout abuse right outside Mosques during Ramadam...we would'nt.

Protest is enshrined in law, but where it is obvious that there is an underlying plan we should grant permission for the protest well away from the event not in the middle of the crowd where angry response from the relatives and friends of these soldiers, as well as ordinary Joe public there to welcome the lads home, is pretty much guaranteed.

I would be very interested to investigate who these Protesters actually are...I'm sure MI5 share my views.

 

[pork pie]

I disagree with the protesters.

But the reaction to them in the tabloids and on here worries me. It seems to boil down to "if you disagree with me and you're not white and English-over-many-generations, then you don't have the right to express that view", or even "... then you don't deserve to live in the same country as me".

Why on earth does someone's right to express a view depend on their skin colour? Who are you to decide what is acceptably English?

All of this means that I end up having to defend the protesters, instead of arguing against them, which I'd much rather do.

Which seems to me to prove that bigotry is counter-productive ...

Not really. It simply proves that there are too many PC people in this country that would rather concern themselves with the rights of others than address the issues!

 

[The Spanish]

Obviously these Muslim guys knew that their actions would get them noticed and quite possibly lynched which is obviously want they WANT. Taking such massive personal risks, shouting at the Anglians things like "child murderers" and "Anglians burn in hell" on a public street thronged with people there for patriotic reasons was designed to be inflammatory. Dont forget that the desired outcome here is for society to become destabilised, to turn briton against briton and to encourage civil unrest to the extent that islam can force its way to political prominence with the government turning to the imams to restore order, presumably to the extent that it is allowed to affect policy in regard to Islamist influence.

Islam is not just a religion it is, in fact, a blueprint for how society should work, there are instructions for the faithful that they must not rest until the state becomes islamic as this is the only acceptable solution for humanity in the eyes of Allah. A politicised religion really is the most potent of all influences as it encourages Muslim activists will operate within the political dimension, and where possible turn it on itself, whilst at the same time claiming they are acting on instruction from God so must be respected for doing so and allowed religious freedoms to spout the most appalling bile.

I know this was only 20 protesters but lookl at the impact they have made it is precisely because we have free speech and an entitlement to peaceful protest that these characters can do this sort of thing and they WILL use it against the rest of society when and where they can.

Personally I fail to see how we can ban people like Gert Willders the dutch anti islamic MP from entering this country, when invited to address peers in the Lords and show a film in private, on the grounds that is likely to cause civil disturbance caused by Muslim activists, and yet at the same time, only a few weeks later, grant permission for Muslims to stage an anti war protest at an event where civil disturbance is inevitable as a consequence.

Be very careful here people, these guys are clever, brave and determined. There will come a time in the very near future where this type of provocative action will inspire a backlash which will escalate into violence and disorder on a large scale. The way we deal with this should be the same way we would deal with far right groups requesting permission to demonstrate and shout abuse right outside Mosques during Ramadam...we would'nt.

Protest is enshrined in law, but where it is obvious that there is an underlying plan we should grant permission for the protest well away from the event not in the middle of the crowd where angry response from the relatives and friends of these soldiers, as well as ordinary Joe public there to welcome the lads home, is pretty much guaranteed.

I would be very interested to investigate who these Protesters actually are...I'm sure MI5 share my views.

top post Bevendean. A drop of reason in a sea of idiocy (much of it mine).

 

[Simster]

Quite right. Bloody WOGS exercising free speach and peaceful protest. It's a DISGRACE.

Why protest in front of returning soldiers, who risked their lives at the behest of a democratically elected government.

If these morons were that principled, they'd have been making trips to the houses of parliament on a daily basis, not venting their spleen at footsoldiers serving their country.

 

[User removed 4]

hahaha the placards on the back of walkers crisps boxes. wonder where they got them from.


they are just jealous as the soldiers will be out on the piss pulling birds tonight and they will be stuck indoors after mosque with their mysogyny and lack of connection with the society they are in purely for financial reasons, deciding to support people they have no connection with, because of their identity crisis caused by not quite thinking through the implications of emigration.

is just such a top quality post

 

[The Spanish]

is just such a top quality post

cheers mate. i thought it had low level racism, sexism, along with sweeping generalisations and a lack of understanding of the historical relationship between Britain and the subcontinent, all rolled into one. I am pleased myself. As above all all of it is true.

 

[User removed 4]

Why protest in front of returning soldiers, who risked their lives at the behest of a democratically elected government.

If these morons were that principled, they'd have been making trips to the houses of parliament on a daily basis, not venting their spleen at footsoldiers serving their country.

not often we agree mate !!

 

[Insel affe]

Obviously these Muslim guys knew that their actions would get them noticed and quite possibly lynched which is obviously want they WANT. Taking such massive personal risks, shouting at the Anglians things like "child murderers" and "Anglians burn in hell" on a public street thronged with people there for patriotic reasons was designed to be inflammatory. Dont forget that the desired outcome here is for society to become destabilised, to turn briton against briton and to encourage civil unrest to the extent that islam can force its way to political prominence with the government turning to the imams to restore order, presumably to the extent that it is allowed to affect policy in regard to Islamist influence.

Islam is not just a religion it is, in fact, a blueprint for how society should work, there are instructions for the faithful that they must not rest until the state becomes islamic as this is the only acceptable solution for humanity in the eyes of Allah. A politicised religion really is the most potent of all influences as it encourages Muslim activists will operate within the political dimension, and where possible turn it on itself, whilst at the same time claiming they are acting on instruction from God so must be respected for doing so and allowed religious freedoms to spout the most appalling bile.

I know this was only 20 protesters but lookl at the impact they have made it is precisely because we have free speech and an entitlement to peaceful protest that these characters can do this sort of thing and they WILL use it against the rest of society when and where they can.

Personally I fail to see how we can ban people like Gert Willders the dutch anti islamic MP from entering this country, when invited to address peers in the Lords and show a film in private, on the grounds that is likely to cause civil disturbance caused by Muslim activists, and yet at the same time, only a few weeks later, grant permission for Muslims to stage an anti war protest at an event where civil disturbance is inevitable as a consequence.

Be very careful here people, these guys are clever, brave and determined. There will come a time in the very near future where this type of provocative action will inspire a backlash which will escalate into violence and disorder on a large scale. The way we deal with this should be the same way we would deal with far right groups requesting permission to demonstrate and shout abuse right outside Mosques during Ramadam...we would'nt.

Protest is enshrined in law, but where it is obvious that there is an underlying plan we should grant permission for the protest well away from the event not in the middle of the crowd where angry response from the relatives and friends of these soldiers, as well as ordinary Joe public there to welcome the lads home, is pretty much guaranteed.

I would be very interested to investigate who these Protesters actually are...I'm sure MI5 share my views.

top post fellow billy......indeed wise words.......they want a backlash, which they may very well get.

 

[TWOCHOICEStom]

Obviously these Muslim guys knew that their actions would get them noticed and quite possibly lynched which is obviously want they WANT. Taking such massive personal risks, shouting at the Anglians things like "child murderers" and "Anglians burn in hell" on a public street thronged with people there for patriotic reasons was designed to be inflammatory. Dont forget that the desired outcome here is for society to become destabilised, to turn briton against briton and to encourage civil unrest to the extent that islam can force its way to political prominence with the government turning to the imams to restore order, presumably to the extent that it is allowed to affect policy in regard to Islamist influence.

Islam is not just a religion it is, in fact, a blueprint for how society should work, there are instructions for the faithful that they must not rest until the state becomes islamic as this is the only acceptable solution for humanity in the eyes of Allah. A politicised religion really is the most potent of all influences as it encourages Muslim activists will operate within the political dimension, and where possible turn it on itself, whilst at the same time claiming they are acting on instruction from God so must be respected for doing so and allowed religious freedoms to spout the most appalling bile.

I know this was only 20 protesters but lookl at the impact they have made it is precisely because we have free speech and an entitlement to peaceful protest that these characters can do this sort of thing and they WILL use it against the rest of society when and where they can.

Personally I fail to see how we can ban people like Gert Willders the dutch anti islamic MP from entering this country, when invited to address peers in the Lords and show a film in private, on the grounds that is likely to cause civil disturbance caused by Muslim activists, and yet at the same time, only a few weeks later, grant permission for Muslims to stage an anti war protest at an event where civil disturbance is inevitable as a consequence.

Be very careful here people, these guys are clever, brave and determined. There will come a time in the very near future where this type of provocative action will inspire a backlash which will escalate into violence and disorder on a large scale. The way we deal with this should be the same way we would deal with far right groups requesting permission to demonstrate and shout abuse right outside Mosques during Ramadam...we would'nt.

Protest is enshrined in law, but where it is obvious that there is an underlying plan we should grant permission for the protest well away from the event not in the middle of the crowd where angry response from the relatives and friends of these soldiers, as well as ordinary Joe public there to welcome the lads home, is pretty much guaranteed.

I would be very interested to investigate who these Protesters actually are...I'm sure MI5 share my views.

There really is a lot of utter shite on this thread, but that is a brilliant post.

This sort of thing only fuels racial tension and you will get all of the "if you dont like it, get out" brigade piping up. I don't deny them the right to protest, protest outside the houses of parliment, fine. But the messages on those placards were written only to cause tension as you've said. They were in absolutely no way constructive and presented no argument other than "you're all child murderers".

I personally think that to insult the soldiers who are fighting for the country that we all live in, is a disgrace whether you agree with their reason for being there or not. Unfortunately, people like the BNP will be rubbing their hands with glee over this...

 

[London Pompous]

If people have an issue with the war, which was a political decision, then they should take it up with the politicians, not the soldiers.

Whatever your views on the war (and I'm totally against both of them), the boys on the front line are not IMO an appropraite target for the demonstration.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

What was the parade for?