[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[Stat Brother]

"Grunt Schnapps Attacks Putin".

Putin replies

"What is a Grunt Schnapps?"

 

[jcdenton08]

"Grunt Schnapps Attacks Putin".

Putin replies

"What is a Grunt Schnapps?"

@ManOfSussex

Thoughts?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Michael Gove wants to use parliamentary privilege to name groups under his new definition of extremism, despite government lawyers warning him about the legal implications of doing so.
There will be no appeal if you are labelled an extremist group.

This thread is very thought provoking.

 

[Chicken Run]

Michael Gove wants to use parliamentary privilege to name groups under his new definition of extremism, despite government lawyers warning him about the legal implications of doing so.
There will be no appeal if you are labelled an extremist group.

This thread is very thought provoking.

Terrifying

 

[Thunder Bolt]

 

[nicko31]

Michael Gove wants to use parliamentary privilege to name groups under his new definition of extremism, despite government lawyers warning him about the legal implications of doing so.
There will be no appeal if you are labelled an extremist group.

This thread is very thought provoking.

The Tories are an extremist group, it could come back to haunt them....

 

[rippleman]

Michael Gove wants to use parliamentary privilege to name groups under his new definition of extremism, despite government lawyers warning him about the legal implications of doing so.
There will be no appeal if you are labelled an extremist group.

This thread is very thought provoking.

"If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear"

George Orwell

 

[abc]

"If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear"

George Orwell

Absolutely but the sub question is HOW one exercises that right. Has 21st century society lost the ability to debate without being overly 'offended' or by being overly 'aggressive' (whether by use of hateful words or hateful actions)?

 

[jcdenton08]

Absolutely but the sub question is HOW one exercises that right. Has 21st century society lost the ability to debate without being overly 'offended' or by being overly 'aggressive' (whether by use of hateful words or hateful actions)?

This in spades, from all sides of the political spectrum when it comes to social media “discussion”.

But the big problem right now though is it’s the bloody government and their paymasters rhetoric being directly racist rather than snide insinuation. The Tories are getting desperate. Their “plausible deniability” has evaporated.

At least Starmer is slowly getting the scumbags, racists and ridiculed out (Ali, Abbott, Corbyn losing the whip). In the current day Tory party it gets you in the cabinet.

The government is having an absolute mare with this latest blunder. No amount of money is worth what they’ve having to try and dance around.

 

[Peteinblack]

I’m confused:

Tories - “We are opposed to Cancel Culture and insist that free-speech is sacrosanct. Instead of being easily offended snowflakes, people need to become more tolerant and resilient.”

Tories - “We consider many views that we disagree with, and those who hold such views, to be extremist or undemocratic, and we will therefore ban them.”

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

"If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear"

George Orwell

I does depend what that is though.

For example, Hester had no right to say what he said.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

This in spades, from all sides of the political spectrum when it comes to social media “discussion”.

But the big problem right now though is it’s the bloody government and their paymasters rhetoric being directly racist rather than snide insinuation. The Tories are getting desperate. Their “plausible deniability” has evaporated.

At least Starmer is slowly getting the scumbags, racists and ridiculed out (Ali, Abbott, Corbyn losing the whip). In the current day Tory party it gets you in the cabinet.

The government is having an absolute mare with this latest blunder. No amount of money is worth what they’ve having to try and dance around.

But mostly from one side. Let's face it

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Absolutely but the sub question is HOW one exercises that right. Has 21st century society lost the ability to debate without being overly 'offended' or by being overly 'aggressive' (whether by use of hateful words or hateful actions)?

Historically the political debate has been much more overly aggressive. Yet even now I see more overly aggressive 'discussion' than overly 'offended' responses. I don't recognise the culture war between broflakes and snowflakes.

Consider this: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/15/britains-most-racist-election-smethwick-50-years-on

 

[clapham_gull]

Another standing down

Great Yarmouth MP Brandon Lewis standing down at next election

Great Yarmouth MP Brandon Lewis has announced he is standing down as candidate...

planetradio.co.uk

 

[CHAPPERS]

 

[CHAPPERS]

I wonder if they will get to three figures

 

[nicko31]

The rats really are fleeing the sinking ship, how many bottlejobs are we up to?

 

[knocky1]

62 Tories standing down from a 98 total as of today.

The average of MPs standing down from 1979 to 2010 was 87.

MPs standing down at the next general election | Institute for Government

How many MPs are standing down at the next election, and why?

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk

 

[A1X]

 

[Hugo Rune]

Michael Gove wants to use parliamentary privilege to name groups under his new definition of extremism, despite government lawyers warning him about the legal implications of doing so.
There will be no appeal if you are labelled an extremist group.

This thread is very thought provoking.

I wonder if people who call for MP’s to be shot will be included in this definition of extremism?

I suspect if you’ve profiteered from so many NHS IT contracts that you can afford to donate £10m to the Tory party, you might not make the list?