[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[Machiavelli]

It’s also something everyone sees differently. I believe it’s “common sense” for the state to own and run the major arteries of national infrastructure (utilities & transport), something the “Common sense group” in the Tory party would presumably baulk at.

You're proving my point very well -- it's polysemic.

 

[nicko31]

So basically kick the can down the road.

The Tory right are crack addicts looking for a bigger and bigger hit. Prepare for another meltdown in the new year

 

[TomandJerry]

UK GDP contracted by 0.3% on a monthly basis, new data from the Office for National Statistics shows, following growth of 0.2% in September.

That’s worse than 0% change in GDP expected by economists for October.

 

[jimhigham]

So. 29 abstained as rebels. That's enough to see the bill defeated at 3rd reading if they don't get what they want.

Today was a let off fir Rishi, but he's well and truly on notice. Expect the Lords to rip the bill a new one, and Rishi will then be in a very difficult place. Bring it back in a form that the 29 can accept and he risks losing the One Nation tories (and Rwanda as partner). Water it down or leave it unchanged and the 29 torpedo it.

Not sure he can win this. Think he's stuck. Now expecting January might see him call a snap election and try to win it on a "Stop the Boats" slogan ala Boris with "Get Brexit Done". It'll be the only route left.

The number of abstaining rebels would be enough to defeat the bill at the Committee Stage but…

…the government has parked this for a little while. It’s not going to be the first business after the recess. Looks like they’re going to try and take the heat out of the situation and dial down the urgency. This will give them time to work on the rebels. They only need a handful to return to get them over the line and it’s amazing what you can achieve with a gong here or there. Those rebels in less age seats might find themselves hiring out some ermine robes in return for their support.

 

[rippleman]

UK GDP contracted by 0.3% on a monthly basis, new data from the Office for National Statistics shows, following growth of 0.2% in September.

That’s worse than 0% change in GDP expected by economists for October.

That's what happens when you let the Bank of England have unfettered control of interest rates. You can't grow an economy with high interest rates and high taxation, both of which are a disincentive for businesses to invest.

Who benefits most from high interest rates? Hmmmmmm

 

[nicko31]

UK GDP contracted by 0.3% on a monthly basis, new data from the Office for National Statistics shows, following growth of 0.2% in September.

That’s worse than 0% change in GDP expected by economists for October.

High interest rates starting to bite, a lot of cheap money ending in 2024

 

[Tubby Mondays]

I’ve been wondering how interested voters are in this topic because the tories seem to be putting all their eggs in one basket on this issue.

When canvassing their core vote, nevermind swing voters, how are they going to be able to spin it as a success?

‘Yes we understand that you can’t pay your mortgage so you’re in danger of losing the property that you’ve worked hard to buy, and that your kids will never be able to buy or even rent one, and can only afford to live on beans and toast because we have crashed the economy, and that you have been on a waiting list for a hip replacement for 13 years because we don’t really do the NHS, and you lost several family members to Covid because we couldn’t do that either but we have come up with a pie in the sky scheme that has cost a fortune, deported no one and deterred no one either’.

Surely they need to be thinking about one or two other policies don’t they?

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

I’ve been wondering how interested voters are in this topic because the tories seem to be putting all their eggs in one basket on this issue.

When canvassing their core vote, nevermind swing voters, how are they going to be able to spin it as a success?

‘Yes we understand that you can’t pay your mortgage so you’re in danger of losing the property that you’ve worked hard to buy, and that your kids will never be able to buy or even rent one, and can only afford to live on beans and toast because we have crashed the economy, and that you have been on a waiting list for a hip replacement for 13 years because we don’t really do the NHS, and you lost several family members to Covid because we couldn’t do that either but we have come up with a pie in the sky scheme that has cost a fortune, deported no one and deterred no one either’.

Surely they need to be thinking about one or two other policies don’t they?

I was shocked when I saw this earlier



It's top in this poll, can only assume it's the same in other polls.

I guess it's because it's framed as "We have no money, it's down to spending it on boat people"

So people think all the money is being spent on that

 

[Tubby Mondays]

I was shocked when I saw this earlier



It's top in this poll, can only assume it's the same in other polls.

I guess it's because it's framed as "We have no money, it's down to spending it on boat people"

So people think all the money is being spent on that

They’re right though; it IS being handled badly by this disaster!

 

[beorhthelm]

I’ve been wondering how interested voters are in this topic because the tories seem to be putting all their eggs in one basket on this issue.

When canvassing their core vote, nevermind swing voters, how are they going to be able to spin it as a success?

‘Yes we understand that you can’t pay your mortgage so you’re in danger of losing the property that you’ve worked hard to buy, and that your kids will never be able to buy or even rent one, and can only afford to live on beans and toast because we have crashed the economy, and that you have been on a waiting list for a hip replacement for 13 years because we don’t really do the NHS, and you lost several family members to Covid because we couldn’t do that either but we have come up with a pie in the sky scheme that has cost a fortune, deported no one and deterred no one either’.

Surely they need to be thinking about one or two other policies don’t they?

must be under a rock or in denial, immigration has been a significant political issue for decades. for a large minority it is used as an excuse for many other problems, even if it doesn't directly affect them. being seen to do something becomes important, even if the underlying problem cant be resolved.

 

[The Clamp]

I’ve been wondering how interested voters are in this topic because the tories seem to be putting all their eggs in one basket on this issue.

When canvassing their core vote, nevermind swing voters, how are they going to be able to spin it as a success?

‘Yes we understand that you can’t pay your mortgage so you’re in danger of losing the property that you’ve worked hard to buy, and that your kids will never be able to buy or even rent one, and can only afford to live on beans and toast because we have crashed the economy, and that you have been on a waiting list for a hip replacement for 13 years because we don’t really do the NHS, and you lost several family members to Covid because we couldn’t do that either but we have come up with a pie in the sky scheme that has cost a fortune, deported no one and deterred no one either’.

Surely they need to be thinking about one or two other policies don’t they?

Never underestimate how many racist gammons there are in the U.K.

 

[The Clamp]

Labour really need to start laying into the Tory’s now and highlighting their manifold failures.
Really start hammering it home.

The odd shaky attempt at humour by Starmer at PMQ’s ain’t gonna cut it.

Go for the jugular. Destroy the ****s.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Labour really need to start laying into the Tory’s now and highlighting their manifold failures.
Really start hammering it home.

The odd shaky attempt at humour by Starmer at PMQ’s ain’t gonna cut it.

Go for the jugular. Destroy the ****s.

He's got to get the press onside first. Blair knew that.
Remember, we could have had chaos with Ed Milliband.

 

[Audax]

Remember, we could have had chaos with Ed Milliband.

"But what about Jeremy Corbyn..."



what?

 

[Lever]

"But what about Jeremy Corbyn..."



what?

..and Michael Foot....

 

[jcdenton08]

Just because we have a rubbish government, doesn’t mean the other options at the time would’ve been more successful. Under Cameron it was comparative halcyon days compared to what we’ve got now. If you’re thinking of a snarky reply to that, I direct you to re-read the word “comparative” again.

This election it’s a clear cut choice, get a terrible, deeply unpopular government out and a steady, moderate leader of the a moderate opposition into government.

No more right wing nutters, no left wing nutters to replace them. Finally some calm, boring and grey stability for the next decade please as we try and rebuild our economy and national image.

 

[Bodian]

I was shocked when I saw this earlier



It's top in this poll, can only assume it's the same in other polls.

I guess it's because it's framed as "We have no money, it's down to spending it on boat people"

So people think all the money is being spent on that

But that doesn't reflect whether people are concerned, or have it high on their pririoties.

It just reflects their view on what, out of all their cock-ups, the government are cocking up the most.

 

[nicko31]

Ladies and Gentlemen, let me introduce the member for Don Valley

 

[Audax]

It just reflects their view on what, out of all their cock-ups, the government are cocking up the most.

Indeed. It even doesn't tell us *why* people think they're cocking it up. How many of them are saying they're cocking it up because with every policy revision they go further and further hardline right (and completely missing that they created the problem in the first place by removing legal routes to apply from outside the UK), and how many are saying they're cocking it up because it's not hardline enough and want (how?!) to see us leave the ECHR and push through Rwanda ignoring international obligations. And then there's the group who think they're cocking it up purely because of how shambolic it's all become ... the policy will clearly never get off the ground before a GE results in a Labour government that will unpick it, and even if it did it will never put a dent in the actual numbers.

 

[jcdenton08]

Ladies and Gentlemen, let me introduce the member for Don Valley

Could be that, or could be staff are paid and treated like shit in an unfit for purpose NHS