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[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...



sparkie

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Jul 17, 2003
13,267
Hove
Inflation is due to fall soon when some bad figures work their way out of the calculation.

I can't see the Government settling any of these pay disputes until it does - when their pay offer will be compared against a more favourable inflation rate.

By the same token it's no surprise that a lot of pay claims are been made at a point when the inflation figure is so high - why wait until it has fallen to say 6% ?

That said, General Election now please, and reboot the country.
 




nicko31

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Jan 7, 2010
18,574
Gods country fortnightly
Julian Knight, suspended and whip removed following a complaint to the Met police.
Five Tory MPs are currently suspended.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-63897387
Its never ending. If you took a random 350 members would you find so many dubious characters.

If Labour get in they need to seriously clean up politics across the board, we need to have faith restored in our democracy.
 




dsr-burnley

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Aug 15, 2014
2,625
Its never ending. If you took a random 350 members would you find so many dubious characters.

If Labour get in they need to seriously clean up politics across the board, we need to have faith restored in our democracy.
I hope they do. They have already expelled the 7 Labour MPs who received jail sentences during the 12 years of Tory rule, so that's 7 less rotten apples that won't be corrupting the party.
 


Deportivo Seagull

I should coco
Jul 22, 2003
5,467
Mid Sussex
I hope they do. They have already expelled the 7 Labour MPs who received jail sentences during the 12 years of Tory rule, so that's 7 less rotten apples that won't be corrupting the party.
What’s the count for the other major parties? Just so we can be fair an equitable about this.
Personally, if its a sackable offence in a normal job then it should be the same in parliament. Automatic deselection and then by-election.
 




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BenGarfield

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Feb 22, 2019
347
crawley
No, I didn't. You parroted the line from the Tories that the RCN have demanded 17% strongly implying that they won't manoeuvre from that position. In reality, this dispute will be resolved with a pay increase lower than that but higher than the initial offer made (and, probably, further conditions to repair the damage done to their working arrangements).

If the nurses get a pay 'increase', it'll be a paltry one in real terms. You seem to be neglecting this too: their real terms pay has decreased substantially over the past decade. And this is one of the reasons why the NHS -- like so much else in this country -- is in crisis. Target tax rises on assets to pay for this alongside stopping the attacks on other public sector workers and other such services that are falling apart after 12 years of attacks from the Tories.

Beyond Brexit and leaving the public finances and public services in crisis, what else have this lot achieved in the past 12 years? (fwiw, I think they got most of the decisions right on covid -- the wrong ones were awful preparation, and slow to lockdown on a couple of occasions).
Yes they`ve been rubbish at maintaining and improving public services unsurprisingly as that conforms to their anti state neo liberism. However, in what way do you think the public finances are in "crisis"? Also I disagree about lockdown. Sweden`s limited covid preventative policies have proved far more successful and were in line with exisiting more rational evidence based international pandemic guidelines.
 




Hugo Rune

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Feb 23, 2012
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Under Blair and Brown, Labour made two devastating mistakes. 1. Iraqi war. 2. Not have it enough regulation the banking industry.

Cameron got in on the back of point 2. Now the Tories want to deregulate bankers again. Another financial crash will surely follow at some point.
 


mikeyjh

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Dec 17, 2008
4,607
Llanymawddwy
Under Blair and Brown, Labour made two devastating mistakes. 1. Iraqi war. 2. Not have it enough regulation the banking industry.

Cameron got in on the back of point 2. Now the Tories want to deregulate bankers again. Another financial crash will surely follow at some point.
I can't understate how much I loathe the tories and those who knowingly vote for them - 12 years of persecuting the least well off (we're all in in together) following a financial crisis caused by out of control bankers and this is their answer. Tossers. Oh, and then announce a 'new' fighter jet deal that's been worked on for 5 years!
 


Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
Under Blair and Brown, Labour made two devastating mistakes. 1. Iraqi war. 2. Not have it enough regulation the banking industry.

Cameron got in on the back of point 2. Now the Tories want to deregulate bankers again. Another financial crash will surely follow at some point.
Gordon Brown was awarded for his solutions to the banking crisis, and many countries followed his example. There again, he is an economist.
Unfortunately, in 2010, the press did a number on him, and the coalition got in.
 






rippleman

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Oct 18, 2011
4,988
So now The Hunt wants to deregulate the banks again. How long before we need to bail them out again? 2008 showed that we cannot trust bankers to act honestly and with propriety without strict rules in place (a bit like a three year old). Remove the regulations so they can exploit the system and we have seen that they will take every advantage.

Still. The Hunt needs to make sure he keeps the bankers happy so he gets his non-exec directorships and "consultancies" when he does a runner or the electorate kicks him out.

No good will come of this.

(Next item on the news? Santander being fined over a hundred million quid (Is that all? Ed.) for giving the finger to the anti money laundering regulations.)
 
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Hotchilidog

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Jan 24, 2009
9,120
Under Blair and Brown, Labour made two devastating mistakes. 1. Iraqi war. 2. Not have it enough regulation the banking industry.

Cameron got in on the back of point 2. Now the Tories want to deregulate bankers again. Another financial crash will surely follow at some point.
They also introduced PFI to the NHS, for noble reasons but it has allowed the Tories to practically wreck the service on the back of it. The 97 Labour government was too timid and failed to make the most of its huge majority. I really hope Keir does not repeat those mistakes and actually tries to achieve real change when he comes to power.
 




Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
Tory MP declared bankrupt owing HMRC £1 million and £700,000 to Barclays bank. I believe a bankrupt cannot be an MP, so there may be another by election.

 


The Clamp

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nicko31

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Peteinblack

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Jun 3, 2004
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Tory MP declared bankrupt owing HMRC £1 million and £700,000 to Barclays bank. I believe a bankrupt cannot be an MP, so there may be another by election.


So much for Tories being 'economically competent' - I bet he blames this on Labour and Gordon Brown too!
 
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A1X

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