[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[The Clamp]

Tory’s trying to ride roughshod over their own ill thought out laws. Truss saying huge swathes of the NI protocol can be legally thrown out. Everyone else in the Western world saying “no, they can’t”.

Bloody Tory’s. Hang the bloody lot of them.

 

[TomandJerry]

The Democratic Unionist party (DUP) has vowed to paralyse the Stormont assembly and block the formation of an executive in a dramatic escalation of its campaign against the Northern Ireland protocol.

Sir Jeffrey Donaldson, the DUP leader, said his party would refuse to nominate a speaker when the assembly meets for its inaugural session on Friday afternoon, a move that will derail the legislature and raise the stakes in a dispute over the protocol between London and Brussels.

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[Papa Lazarou]

The Democratic Unionist party (DUP) has vowed to paralyse the Stormont assembly and block the formation of an executive in a dramatic escalation of its campaign against the Northern Ireland protocol.

Sir Jeffrey Donaldson, the DUP leader, said his party would refuse to nominate a speaker when the assembly meets for its inaugural session on Friday afternoon, a move that will derail the legislature and raise the stakes in a dispute over the protocol between London and Brussels.

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Looks like they may need to remove the D from DUP

 

[BLOCK F]

He also lied. His local food bank do not say people should have cooking lessons.

They say what he said was an insult to the whole community.

https://www.theguardian.com/society...out-of-touch-in-sutton-in-ashfield-say-locals

Whatever one thinks of Lee Anderson’s remarks, it is surely good news that some people have enjoyed the cookery classes and have benefitted from them.
I have to say that the article headlines are a tad misleading, but it is the Guardian. Additionally, the remarks by Jason Zadrozny could be construed to be the views of a disappointed and defeated parliamentary candidate.

Anyway, it is not my intention to deny that there is real poverty in certain parts of the country, but anything that can help people is to be commended, whether it be food banks, cookery classes or other means of support. For instance, down our way, we have a thriving Facebook organisation that offers free toys, children’s clothes and many other essentials to those in need. I dare say there are similar arrangements all over the country.
Have a good weekend.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

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[Blue Valkyrie]

Tory’s trying to ride roughshod over their own ill thought out laws. Truss saying huge swathes of the NI protocol can be legally thrown out. Everyone else in the Western world saying “no, they can’t”.

Bloody Tory’s. Hang the bloody lot of them.

The number 1 ongoing policy is to be as obnoxious as possible to Europe to drum up an us-vs-them spat in time for the next General Election which may be sooner than is generally expected.


There is also too much of the NI tail wagging the UK dog in this.

Much more of NI politicians unelected by English citizens imposing things on us and we'll need to boot NI out of the UK in my view. Controversial, I know, but why should NI drag the rest of us into a damaging Trade War ?

 

[Berty23]

The Democratic Unionist party (DUP) has vowed to paralyse the Stormont assembly and block the formation of an executive in a dramatic escalation of its campaign against the Northern Ireland protocol.

Sir Jeffrey Donaldson, the DUP leader, said his party would refuse to nominate a speaker when the assembly meets for its inaugural session on Friday afternoon, a move that will derail the legislature and raise the stakes in a dispute over the protocol between London and Brussels.

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This was all inevitable with brexit. If the DUP lost any form of power they would down tools and refuse to do anything. Sadly so many people had no idea how much NI was a potential issue before brexit. And the way that people are destroying the deal they made just a couple of years later because the inevitable happened is shameful. Why would anyone take the U.K. seriously if a government that makes a deal breaks a deal? If this was a different prime minister then the EU might have some sympathy but this is the same prime minister about his own deal. Seeing the minister on TV waving all that paper around saying “they need to sign all this paperwork and it is not fit for purpose” is mind blowing because everyone who knew anything about impact of leaving the customs Union said this was the consequence but no, people just said it wouldn’t be and people lapped it up.

This is not going to end well. It is now “us vs them” and those things never end well. What a mess. But still people defend it. Sheesh.

 

[pb21]

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Surely this must be fake news, surely?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Surely this must be fake news, surely?

It possibly is fake that Oliver Dowden wrote that, but someone in the charity thought it was hilarious.

 

[Randy McNob]

thousands of public sector job losses being announced today

sack laods of people but don't tax big corps who make multi billion profits. They always make the poorest and ordinary folk pay the price of government failure

Vote Tory

 

[pb21]

It possibly is fake that Oliver Dowden wrote that, but someone in the charity thought it was hilarious.

OK, that makes a bit more sense!

 

[nicko31]

thousands of public sector job losses being announced today

sack laods of people but don't tax big corps who make multi billion profits. They always make the poorest and ordinary folk pay the price of government failure

Vote Tory

That's the way, drive public services down the barebones.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

https://newsthump.com/2022/05/13/nation-grimly-waits-for-michael-goves-jamaican-accent/

“Nation grimly waits for Michael Gove’s Jamaican accent.

Geppetto’s worst mistake, nose candy enthusiast and Secretary of State Michael Gove has taken the bold step of undertaking a 1970s seaside comedy routine to distract from the Government’s many, many failings.”

Hands up, who else immediately thought of [MENTION=17322]Lenny Rider[/MENTION] when they read the words 70s comedy routine?

 

[Peacehaven Wild Kids]

On a local issue, Labour took the “safe” council seat of Peacehaven West yesterday off the tories

 

[dsr-burnley]

thousands of public sector job losses being announced today

sack laods of people but don't tax big corps who make multi billion profits. They always make the poorest and ordinary folk pay the price of government failure

Vote Tory

They do tax big corporations. Maybe not as much as you would like, but BP for example paid or will pay £1bn in North Sea taxes this year.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61304001#:~:text=BP says it expects to,for more than 50 years.

The Civil Service union has been in the news quite a lot recently. It represents the people who are not sending out passports, the people who are not sending out driving licences, the people who are not answering the phone, the people who are not answering tax questions. And the unions say they don't want to go back to work because they don't see what advantage it has for them.

I doubt that sacking these people is going to cause any meltdown. There may be many reasons for a prospective Tory meltdown, but if Labour were to stand up and declare their support for the people who aren't doing their jobs properly at the expense of those who are, it wouldn't cost the Tories votes.

Anyway, is it really true that the desk-bound civil servant is among "the poorest folk"?

 

[dsr-burnley]

Also on local issues, the Conservatives regained control of Pendle council last Thursday, from no overall control, even though they were fighting seats last fought only a year ago after a full council election. Yes, local issues were involved, but it shows the Tories aren't sliding as much as they might be.

One thing that is often forgotten on here, simply because of where Brighton is. Money. Apart fromthe foodbanks issue that affect basically the very poorest in both places, the average person in Brighton is relatively rich, and can afford policies like Green party (electric cars, air cooled domestic boilers, and so forth); there is a lot less money in the north. It's easy to live in a metropolitan bubble and propose these policies, such as retention of unnecessary civil servants, when you have the cash to afford them.

Why are the cheapest Brighton season tickets £90 more expensive than the most expensive Burnley season tickets? Why is the cheapest Brighton under-10 ticket only £5 cheaper than the cheapest Burnley under-22 ticket? It's money. You have a lot more of it down there.

Labour policy at present is essentially that people who don't work for the government should pay more taxes to subsidise people who do. It's that ethos that cost them all the red wall seats last time and it won't do them any goo dthis time, even though Johnson appears (in practice if not in theory) to share the same ethos.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

Also on local issues, the Conservatives regained control of Pendle council last Thursday, from no overall control, even though they were fighting seats last fought only a year ago after a full council election. Yes, local issues were involved, but it shows the Tories aren't sliding as much as they might be.

One thing that is often forgotten on here, simply because of where Brighton is. Money. Apart fromthe foodbanks issue that affect basically the very poorest in both places, the average person in Brighton is relatively rich, and can afford policies like Green party (electric cars, air cooled domestic boilers, and so forth); there is a lot less money in the north. It's easy to live in a metropolitan bubble and propose these policies, such as retention of unnecessary civil servants, when you have the cash to afford them.

Why are the cheapest Brighton season tickets £90 more expensive than the most expensive Burnley season tickets? Why is the cheapest Brighton under-10 ticket only £5 cheaper than the cheapest Burnley under-22 ticket? It's money. You have a lot more of it down there.

Labour policy at present is essentially that people who don't work for the government should pay more taxes to subsidise people who do. It's that ethos that cost them all the red wall seats last time and it won't do them any goo dthis time, even though Johnson appears (in practice if not in theory) to share the same ethos.

Because we're better?

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

They do tax big corporations. Maybe not as much as you would like, but BP for example paid or will pay £1bn in North Sea taxes this year.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61304001#:~:text=BP says it expects to,for more than 50 years.

The Civil Service union has been in the news quite a lot recently. It represents the people who are not sending out passports, the people who are not sending out driving licences, the people who are not answering the phone, the people who are not answering tax questions. And the unions say they don't want to go back to work because they don't see what advantage it has for them.

I doubt that sacking these people is going to cause any meltdown. There may be many reasons for a prospective Tory meltdown, but if Labour were to stand up and declare their support for the people who aren't doing their jobs properly at the expense of those who are, it wouldn't cost the Tories votes.

Anyway, is it really true that the desk-bound civil servant is among "the poorest folk"?

Sorry mate but that's an incredible characterisation of 90k people (or at least 90k fewer posts).

I've got a mate who's a Civil Servant. He works bloody hard.

 

[dsr-burnley]

Because we're better?

You charge more than Man City as well.

 

[rippleman]

Sorry mate but that's an incredible characterisation of 90k people (or at least 90k fewer posts).

I've got a mate who's a Civil Servant. He works bloody hard.

Most of those working on the "coal face" do work hard. The problem is that they are hamstrung by appalling management which gets progressively worse the higher it gets. HMRC staff have come up with ideas to resolve a lot of problems, issues and delays and the management ignores them. The staff are given really crap, untested IT systems that give them real headaches.

I said to the Inspector I spoke to yesterday to get his senior manager to call me and I would discuss matters with him. The Inspector laughed. "You know what will happen don't you? Nothing! They will never call you back". He is right. Management don't want to actually take the responsibility they are being paid to take.

Where HMRC staff (and other civil servants) are letting themselves down, and why they will lose public support, is because of their refusal to go back to work. As the Inspector said yesterday "HMRC is an office based organisation. It can't work properly with the majority of staff staying at home".