[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[clapham_gull]

Well no, but my point was that it was Jimmy Savile. Would the DPP not be briefed about prosecution decisions relating to somebody as famous (notorious) as Jimmy Savile, not least because there were people calling him out as a wrong'un as early as the 70's?

But Starmer changed that. Let's see what the current PM thought about the changes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_FSqfXyUFk

Unfit for public office.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Well no, but my point was that it was Jimmy Savile. Would the DPP not be briefed about prosecution decisions relating to somebody as famous (notorious) as Jimmy Savile, not least because there were people calling him out as a wrong'un as early as the 70's?

No. It’s ok looking back with hindsight, but at the time, Savile was still being celebrated as a great charity donor etc.
It was because of what happened that Operation Yewtree was set up, but also bear in mind that at least two celebrities were falsely accused, one a politician and the other a singer. Their accusers were then prosecuted for perverting the course of justice.

 

[clapham_gull]

I believe it is universally felt on all sides of the House that Johnson’s ‘Savile’ remark yesterday was ill-judged, tasteless, wholly inaccurate and the desperate words of a floundering man. You won’t find any colleague of Johnson’s willing to stand behind that comment. Not even Nadine Dorris FFS.

Not sure about Nadine, she's been promoting fake news for years and even got in trouble with the Tory whips about it.

Nadine Dorries accused of spreading 'fake news' after sharing 'doctored' video of Sir Keir Starmer

https://news.sky.com/story/nadine-d...g-doctored-video-of-sir-keir-starmer-11988228

 

[sparkie]

But wasn't Starmer the DPP when they considered prosecuting Savile on several occasions and decided against it each time? Whatever the reasons for doing so, surely that can't have been done without Starmer being involved in the decision-making process? It was Jimmy ****ing Savile FFS, not some 17 year old pickpocket.

It was done without Starmer being involved.

That is the system, that is how it works.

Please don't fall for Johnson's vile, desperate to deflect, lies.

 

[Lever]

I wonder if that stupid, irresponsible Johnson lie will help to topple the government. Let’s hope so…….

 

[Since1982]

I agree it's a deflection tactic but I'm still surprised that Starmer was never consulted as Head of the CPA when Savile was reported on a number of occasions.

But now you understand the facts are you going to stop perpetrating something that is not only wrong but hugely upsetting to the victims? There is no middle ground here.

 

[dadams2k11]

But now you understand the facts are you going to stop perpetrating something that is not only wrong but hugely upsetting to the victims? There is no middle ground here.

Of.course not. Why let facts get in the way when you can make up lies and get away with it?

 

[Dick Swiveller]

This Savile thing has annoyed/disgusted me more than the other shenanigans. Say something under parliamentary privilege and then mince words but refuse to repeat it outside where you could be sued. This is US level of smears and a further sinking into sewer politics.

 

[Igzilla]

Of.course not. Why let facts get in the way when you can make up lies and get away with it?

 

[nwgull]

I wonder if that stupid, irresponsible Johnson lie will help to topple the government. Let’s hope so…….

It won't. But what it has inadvertently done is to shine a light on this particular piece of fake news resulting in it being conclusively debunked in a high-profile manner. Until then, the right-wing sites and commentators were successfully propagating it as fact via social media.

 

[loz]

Tobias Ellwood Is the latest to put his letter of no confidence in.

 

[Audax]

I agree it's a deflection tactic but I'm still surprised that Starmer was never consulted as Head of the CPA when Savile was reported on a number of occasions.

This is exactly the sort of thinking Boris was aiming for when he said what he said. His goal was to crack open the door of doubt, lean on the natural tendency for the electorate to assume that all politicians are as bad as each other.

The facts are that, as much as it may not make sense to you, at the time Starmer was head, the head *was not* made aware of all decisions being made lower down (probably still isn't - the volume would be too high) - even for high profile cases like Savile. There were a lot of failures along the way when it came to Savile, but none of them can be laid at Starmer's door.

 

[Igzilla]

Tobias Ellwood Is the latest to put his letter of no confidence in.

tick tock...

 

[vegster]

I agree it's a deflection tactic but I'm still surprised that Starmer was never consulted as Head of the CPA when Savile was reported on a number of occasions.

By simply discussing this lie Johnson achieves what he set out to do, distracting people from the real lies he has told.

So conflating a possible missed opportunity to prosecute versus a Prime Minister being investigated by the Met for attending three illegal gatherings.

 

[Randy McNob]

just like to point out out this government has written off 8.7bn lost on PPE which would have covered the NI increase and then some

so we are literally paying for their incompetence and corruption from our pockets

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[Lever]

It won't. But what it has inadvertently done is to shine a light on this particular piece of fake news resulting in it being conclusively debunked in a high-profile manner. Until then, the right-wing sites and commentators were successfully propagating it as fact via social media.

You're absolutely right of course.....

.... but when the time comes to make choices it is such an easy thing to remember, even for the hard of thinking.....

 

[Thunder Bolt]

When Johnson was Foreign Secretary the security forces didn't trust him. It seems they still don't.

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[A1X]

Tobias Ellwood Is the latest to put his letter of no confidence in.

Unless any letters have been withdrawn from previous submitters, it feels like we're approaching the magic number. The more interesting question is when the time comes how many will vote to keep him and how many to ditch him.

 

[erkan]

just like to point out out this government has written off 8.7bn lost on PPE which would have covered the NI increase and then some

so we are literally paying for their incompetence and corruption from our pockets

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Best estimate is now £10bn squandered due to incompetence and corruption at the heart of government. Combined with one of the worst death tolls in the world it hardly fits in with a ridiculous assertion that Johnson and cronies have somehow "done a good job" over the past two years.

 

[Hugo Rune]

Unless any letters have been withdrawn from previous submitters, it feels like we're approaching the magic number. The more interesting question is when the time comes how many will vote to keep him and how many to ditch him.

Depends on if other potential candidates for the PM job put their heads above the parapet.

Amongst the cabinet, only Sunak or Gove would have enough credibility to run for this role as Truss has got too close to Johnson recently. The next leader will sack almost all the current cabinet as their only skill set is loyalty to the PM.

If Hunt throws his hat in the ring prior to the vote, Boris the Liar is going down.