Tony Martin... an innocent man?

[Mr Popkins]

whats your take on this.?

for me ..all he was doing was protecting his property and the guy he killed had a 130 crimes under his belt, he would never be any use to society, one less wanker off the streets..

if someone comes into your house uninvited they deserve all they get!

I strongly believe an Englishmans home is his Castle!


made me laugh just after it happened the Norwich City fans used to chant "We shoot burglars!"

 

[Football Genius aka FG]

agreed thought it odd how they both got out prison same day! U have to admire T M for wanting go back to same place even knowing revenge is on the cards

 

[CAFC Matt]

I watched program on BBC and they sai that if you live in Texas you can do ANYTHING, even kill to protect your life, home and property. You will be arressted but there will never be any chargfes brought against you, and you will never be sued by your victim if he survives. You can even go to gun school to learn how to 'stop' an attacker. Tony Martin should have lived out there!

 

[Gritt23]

if someone comes into your house uninvited they deserve all they get!

Totally agree. Restraining them with "reasonable force" is a complete arse. How do you justify in effect forcing a victim to limit themselves to a "fair fight" by not using anything more forceful than the criminal has at his disposal.

Bollox to that, if someone breaks into my house and I feel myself and my family are in danger, I will do whatever it take to defend us all.

Good on you Mr Martin, you should have got a medal not a sentence.

 

[Simster]

Difficult one this.

It's worth noting that Tony Martin shot the 16 year old boy in the back as he was running away, he used a firearm that he didn't have a license for and had previously been convicted of a firearms offence and was consequently banned from using an assault rifle. But as you say, if the burgulars hadn't been on his property it would never have happened.

Personally I think he served about the right amount of time for the crime he committed, but the same cannot be said for the crack using burgular who got out a couple of days ago. It's about time career criminals were dealt with more severely.

 

[CHAPPERS]

I believe he was correct to do it. Burglary is f***ing disgraceful and should be treated with upmost contempt.

If anyone came into my house i don't know what i would do.

 

[CAFC Matt]

If anyone came into my house i don't know what i would do.

Same as TM

 

[Eddie the Seagull]

Hear, Hear.

 

[Gritt23]

Difficult one this.

It's worth noting that Tony Martin shot the 16 year old boy in the back as he was running away,

My understanding is that it was pitch black and Mr Martin had been terrorised before by people breaking into his house.

Good on you TM, I just wish you'd killed 'em both.

 

[Football Genius aka FG]

what it goes to show is how outdated so many laws in the country are as the vast majority of people in this country support what TM did as as said would even go as far as giving him a medal not jailling him!

 

[Yorkie]

I'm with Simster on this one.

I have been burgled whilst in the house and actually saw the burglar who fortunately ran away. (must have been the sight of me in my dressing gown )

If it had something that happened on the spur of the moment defending himself, then yes he would have been completely innocent.

But he had planned it after being broken into before. He was waiting on the stairs and then when the burglars were running he shot one of them in the back.

I do agree though that burglars, drug dealers etc should get years in prison not months

 

[Gritt23]

But like so many of us, TM feels he has been let down by the lack of law and order in this country. There is absolutely no point reporting burglary to the police (along with many other crimes) and expecting anything to be done.

People only take the law into their own hands when they feel they have no choice.

I know what you are saying Yorkie, but just how much has the guy had to put up with before you get driven to that??

 

[Simster]

Indeed Yorkie. The problem with this situation is the piss poor sentences that career criminals (burgulars, drug dealers etc) seem to attract. I think we need a 3 strikes and you're out policy like they have in California.

It wouldn't be the issue that it is if the burgulars had been put away for a 10 year stretch.

 

[e block rebellion]

did you read in the paper about the burglar who tried to break into a old ladys house and caught his bollocks on a piece of broken glass when the old dear found him he said he was bleeding to death she replied good.

good work girl

 

[Simster]

Yep. Big laughs.

 

[Italiaseagull]

Nice one Grannie!

 

[CHAPPERS]

Indeed Yorkie. The problem with this situation is the piss poor sentences that career criminals (burgulars, drug dealers etc) seem to attract. I think we need a 3 strikes and you're out policy like they have in California.

It wouldn't be the issue that it is if the burgulars had been put away for a 10 year stretch.

Absolutely. Prison does not act as a place for reform anymore, these people think nothing of a few months behind barrs because they know its not THAT bad. They then come out and re-offend knowing they won't be put away for too long.

Those that unfortunately get into bad situations and actually do change after prison shouldn't be affected though as the liklihood is that they will not re-offend.

Three strikes and you're out gives chances for reforming but also punishes those who show complete comtempt for the law severely.

 

[Brixtaan]

people make dumb-ass mistakes when they are 16, for whatever reason (uneducated,poor,deperate, mis-guided), mistakes that they look back on and wince when they are older.

Since when has teen burglary carried the death sentence in this country?
If TM can carry a gun then why can't I? why can't everyone?
He should have gone down longer because if he gets too much sympathy then every pikey is going to want one,then we will have problems and I don't want to live in America.

ps not sure i believe what i've just said, but there's the argument for you.

 

[Dandyman]

As Simster has already posted Tony Martin shot and killed an unarmed 16 year kid in the back with an illegal firearm. Why that makes him a hero is beyond me.

The 3 strikes argument frankly also sounds ludicrous. Are people really suggesting that if some pikey commits a shoplifting offence, a drunk and disorderly, and a criminal damage the threat to society is so immense that they should be locked up (at public expense) for the rest of the lives ?

 

[Simster]

Dandyman, couldn't a judge determine whether an offence counts as a "strike"? I'm not suggesting that 3 shoplifting offences should mean a lifetime behind bars, but surely a string of say 10 such offences inside a year should count as a strike?