Leekbrookgull
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Althought Human rights are not mentioned no doubt that 'card' would have been played at some stage,but LIFE is TEN years ?http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-18398972
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To the 'Human Rights' camp on here,please explain this to me.
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Chicken Runner61
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- May 20, 2007
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Which article of Human Rights are you referring to ?
Article 1 Right to Equality
Article 2 Freedom from Discrimination
Article 3 Right to Life, Liberty, Personal Security
Article 4 Freedom from Slavery
Article 5 Freedom from Torture and Degrading Treatment
Article 6 Right to Recognition as a Person before the Law
Article 7 Right to Equality before the Law
Article 8 Right to Remedy by Competent Tribunal
Article 9 Freedom from Arbitrary Arrest and Exile
Article 10 Right to Fair Public Hearing
Article 11 Right to be Considered Innocent until Proven Guilty
Article 12 Freedom from Interference with Privacy, Family, Home and Correspondence
Article 13 Right to Free Movement in and out of the Country
Article 14 Right to Asylum in other Countries from Persecution
Article 15 Right to a Nationality and the Freedom to Change It
Article 16 Right to Marriage and Family
Article 17 Right to Own Property
Article 18 Freedom of Belief and Religion
Article 19 Freedom of Opinion and Information
Article 20 Right of Peaceful Assembly and Association
Article 21 Right to Participate in Government and in Free Elections
Article 22 Right to Social Security
Article 23 Right to Desirable Work and to Join Trade Unions
Article 24 Right to Rest and Leisure
Article 25 Right to Adequate Living Standard
Article 26 Right to Education
Article 27 Right to Participate in the Cultural Life of Community
Article 28 Right to a Social Order that Articulates this Document
Article 29 Community Duties Essential to Free and Full Development
Article 30 Freedom from State or Personal Interference in the above Rights
Article 1 Right to Equality
Article 2 Freedom from Discrimination
Article 3 Right to Life, Liberty, Personal Security
Article 4 Freedom from Slavery
Article 5 Freedom from Torture and Degrading Treatment
Article 6 Right to Recognition as a Person before the Law
Article 7 Right to Equality before the Law
Article 8 Right to Remedy by Competent Tribunal
Article 9 Freedom from Arbitrary Arrest and Exile
Article 10 Right to Fair Public Hearing
Article 11 Right to be Considered Innocent until Proven Guilty
Article 12 Freedom from Interference with Privacy, Family, Home and Correspondence
Article 13 Right to Free Movement in and out of the Country
Article 14 Right to Asylum in other Countries from Persecution
Article 15 Right to a Nationality and the Freedom to Change It
Article 16 Right to Marriage and Family
Article 17 Right to Own Property
Article 18 Freedom of Belief and Religion
Article 19 Freedom of Opinion and Information
Article 20 Right of Peaceful Assembly and Association
Article 21 Right to Participate in Government and in Free Elections
Article 22 Right to Social Security
Article 23 Right to Desirable Work and to Join Trade Unions
Article 24 Right to Rest and Leisure
Article 25 Right to Adequate Living Standard
Article 26 Right to Education
Article 27 Right to Participate in the Cultural Life of Community
Article 28 Right to a Social Order that Articulates this Document
Article 29 Community Duties Essential to Free and Full Development
Article 30 Freedom from State or Personal Interference in the above Rights
Leekbrookgull
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Is that what your life is worth or your family and friends ? Just TEN years ?
Leekbrookgull
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Quote what you want,CAN I HAVE A RIGHT NOT TO BE SWORN AT WORK ?
Leekbrookgull
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Maybe,i know the answer ?
I think you're struggling with the concept 'minimum'. Or you're just fishing.
Chicken Runner61
We stand where we want!
- May 20, 2007
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Article 5 then
Goldstone Rapper
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Er, where is that on the agreed articles enshrined by law?
Lord Bracknell
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Sentencing murderers - how it works.
The starting points under the Criminal Justice Act 2003 are as follows. Where a crime falls into multiple categories, the applicable starting point is the highest:
Whole life starting point (schedule 21, section 4)
A whole life starting point would normally be appropriate for the following "exceptionally high seriousness offences" (or multiple offences committed together and considered as a whole) committed by a person age 21 or over:
the murder of two or more persons, where each murder involves any of the following-
a substantial degree of premeditation or planning,
the abduction of the victim, or
sexual or sadistic conduct
the murder of a child if involving the abduction of the child or sexual or sadistic motivation
a murder done for the purpose of advancing a political, religious or ideological cause. (The Counter-Terrorism Act 2008 adds "racial cause" to these, from 16 February 2009
a murder by an offender previously convicted of murder
30 year minimum starting point (schedule 21 section 5)
A 30 year starting point would normally be appropriate for the following "particularly high seriousness offences" (or multiple offences committed together and considered as a whole) committed by a person age 18 or over:
the murder of a police officer or prison officer in the course of his duty
a murder involving the use of a firearm or explosive
a murder done for gain (in furtherance of robbery or burglary, done for payment or done in the expectation of gain as a result of the death)
a murder intended to obstruct or interfere with the course of justice
a murder involving sexual or sadistic conduct
the murder of two or more persons
a murder that is racially or religiously aggravated or aggravated by sexual orientation
a murder normally resulting in a whole life tariff committed by a person aged 18 or over but under 21
25 year minimum starting point (schedule 21 section 5A)
A 25 year starting point was later added (as of 2 March 2010) for the circumstance where a person age 18 or over takes a weapon to "the scene" intending to either commit any offence, or have it available as a weapon, and used that weapon to commit the murder.
15 year minimum (schedule 21 section 6)
Any other murder committed by a person age 18 or over
12 year minimum (schedule 21 section 7)
Any other murder committed by someone under the age of 18
The starting points under the Criminal Justice Act 2003 are as follows. Where a crime falls into multiple categories, the applicable starting point is the highest:
Whole life starting point (schedule 21, section 4)
A whole life starting point would normally be appropriate for the following "exceptionally high seriousness offences" (or multiple offences committed together and considered as a whole) committed by a person age 21 or over:
the murder of two or more persons, where each murder involves any of the following-
a substantial degree of premeditation or planning,
the abduction of the victim, or
sexual or sadistic conduct
the murder of a child if involving the abduction of the child or sexual or sadistic motivation
a murder done for the purpose of advancing a political, religious or ideological cause. (The Counter-Terrorism Act 2008 adds "racial cause" to these, from 16 February 2009
a murder by an offender previously convicted of murder
30 year minimum starting point (schedule 21 section 5)
A 30 year starting point would normally be appropriate for the following "particularly high seriousness offences" (or multiple offences committed together and considered as a whole) committed by a person age 18 or over:
the murder of a police officer or prison officer in the course of his duty
a murder involving the use of a firearm or explosive
a murder done for gain (in furtherance of robbery or burglary, done for payment or done in the expectation of gain as a result of the death)
a murder intended to obstruct or interfere with the course of justice
a murder involving sexual or sadistic conduct
the murder of two or more persons
a murder that is racially or religiously aggravated or aggravated by sexual orientation
a murder normally resulting in a whole life tariff committed by a person aged 18 or over but under 21
25 year minimum starting point (schedule 21 section 5A)
A 25 year starting point was later added (as of 2 March 2010) for the circumstance where a person age 18 or over takes a weapon to "the scene" intending to either commit any offence, or have it available as a weapon, and used that weapon to commit the murder.
15 year minimum (schedule 21 section 6)
Any other murder committed by a person age 18 or over
12 year minimum (schedule 21 section 7)
Any other murder committed by someone under the age of 18
Leekbrookgull
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Very nice. You have avoided the ten YEAR option. L/B please try harder.
Goldstone Rapper
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Look at who is playing the human rights 'card'. It's you.
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10 years is a joke in my opinion. Just glad he is being deported after his sentence. Don't want people like this roaming our streets.
daveinprague
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Of course he should of recieved a longer sentence in most peoples eyes, including mine, but this sort of sentence has occurred in the UK more than once for a similer offence. I would hate to think this thread is due to the convicted mans religion.
Perkino
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It costs about £1000 a day per prisoner to keep them locked up, I cannot believe how many human rights these people get. Once somebody commits a crime against the state I don't see how they can use the state to protect them, there are plenty of jobs that could be completed by prisoners to help a rehabilitation process which may mean we have less repeat offenders
Seagull on the wing
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First scrap the ECHR and have British human rights...the right of the victims family to have justice...beats me how all these thieves,crimminals,murders even get into the country...when I went to Las Vegas I was eye scanned,fingerprinted and looked up on a computer to see if I had a crimminal record of any type...one who did was sent straight back on the plane we came on and what he had done was a very minor offence.
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fly high
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Don't hold your breath on that. Bound to be some lawyer/judge who stops his deportation.
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They got in to our country because Labour opened the door to immigration. Labour failed to talk about the problem or sort the issue out.
We got some skilled workers but we also allowed thousands of illegals through the back door.
Lord Bracknell
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The tariffs are a "starting point" for determining the sentence. If there are mitigating circumstances (eg an early admission of guilt), the sentence can be lower. If there are aggravating circumstances, the sentence can be higher.
Lord Bracknell
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Who was responsible for the drafting of the European Convention on Human Rights, in 1950? British Conservative MP and lawyer Sir David Maxwell-Fyfe, that's who. He was a member of Churchill's wartime government and, later, was Lord Chancellor in the governments of Churchill, Eden and Macmillan. The ECHR is about as "British" an institution as you could hope to find in post-war Europe.