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Time on the ball in the Premier League



Icy Gull

Back on the rollercoaster
Jul 5, 2003
72,015
Now this might sound really thick but my excuse is that I watched virtually no Premier League football until we got here, I may have had MOTD on in the background on a Sunday morning but didn't pay much attention.

Now I could have sworn that there were threads on here saying how much more time we'd have on the ball until the final third of the pitch once we got to the top division.

I cannot believe how quickly our players are closed down all over the pitch, it is seriously frenetic stuff with no small amount of jaw dropping skill on what I've seen so far. We are passing the ball like it's a hot potato and being hassled as soon as we get the ball with no time at all.

My question is, is this a Premier League thing that we are going to have to cope with all season or have we just played two teams whose game is based around pressing the opposition?
 




brightn'ove

cringe
Apr 12, 2011
9,169
London
have we just played two teams whose game is based around pressing the opposition?

Yes.

Pep's tactics require them to have the ball, he wants his players to regain posession within 10 seconds of losing it I believe.

Leicester won the league by hassling & pressuring opponents into mistakes and scoring on the counter attack.

That isn't to say by any means that they will be the only teams to play that way. Liverpool and *gulp* Huddersfield play that way too.
 


GreersElbow

New member
Jan 5, 2012
4,870
A Northern Outpost
Pep's philosophy is about possession, if you don't have the ball; you win it. If you have the ball, you recycle it until gaps appear. They will always have higher possession and time on the ball because they will pass backwards to protect possession.
 


Finchley Seagull

Well-known member
Feb 25, 2004
6,916
North London
Now this might sound really thick but my excuse is that I watched virtually no Premier League football until we got here, I may have had MOTD on in the background on a Sunday morning but didn't pay much attention.

Now I could have sworn that there were threads on here saying how much more time we'd have on the ball until the final third of the pitch once we got to the top division.

I cannot believe how quickly our players are closed down all over the pitch, it is seriously frenetic stuff with no small amount of jaw dropping skill on what I've seen so far. We are passing the ball like it's a hot potato and being hassled as soon as we get the ball with no time at all.

My question is, is this a Premier League thing that we are going to have to cope with all season or have we just played two teams whose game is based around pressing the opposition?

I completely agree. It was frightening how quickly the Leicester players closed us down in the first thirty minutes especially (see I can agree with you). I think it will be a mix. Some teams will be happy to sit back and catch us on the break but of course if they see us struggle in midfield under pressure, more teams will do that I suppose.
 


BensGrandad

New member
Jul 13, 2003
72,015
Haywards Heath
I believe that is what Stephens and Propper are finding it hard to deal with they have no time at all on the ball. I also think that more teams will adopt that attitude and play that way as the season goes on so we have got to learn to overcome it but learn fast.
 




trueblue

Well-known member
Jul 5, 2003
10,955
Hove
The Premier League is frantic. Laughed when I heard Bob Booker peddling the old 'have to be patient, more time to play' cliches. Used to be true but in the past few years it's more like basketball: end to end. Not just good players any more but exceptional athletes.
 


beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
36,022
Liverpool is another and arguably Spurs, though they dont seem to be as effective but will maintain pressure for 95+ minutes. Leicester won the league from this approach. young eager players hound you to pressure you into a mistake, then rush forward with 3-4 runners into the box at any opportunity.
 


Guinness Boy

Tofu eating wokerati
Helpful Moderator
NSC Patron
Jul 23, 2003
37,348
Up and Coming Sunny Portslade
Not just Pep. Klopp's teams are totally built on high pressure game. Football has changed massively in the last few seasons due to these 2 coaches & others. It's filtering down too, Wagner at Huddersfield learnt under Klopp for example.

It requires a remarkable level of fitness too. Like a Tour De France cyclist. Cough.


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pishhead

Well-known member
Jul 9, 2003
5,248
Everywhere
3 centre backs to either accommodate 3 central midfielders or 2 strikers is something that'll be new to us this season.
I do wonder if this will be a system we try to employ at some point.
 




perseus

Broad Blue & White stripe
Jul 5, 2003
23,461
Sūþseaxna
Now this might sound really thick but my excuse is that I watched virtually no Premier League football until we got here, I may have had MOTD on in the background on a Sunday morning but didn't pay much attention.

Now I could have sworn that there were threads on here saying how much more time we'd have on the ball until the final third of the pitch once we got to the top division.

I cannot believe how quickly our players are closed down all over the pitch, it is seriously frenetic stuff with no small amount of jaw dropping skill on what I've seen so far. We are passing the ball like it's a hot potato and being hassled as soon as we get the ball with no time at all.

My question is, is this a Premier League thing that we are going to have to cope with all season or have we just played two teams whose game is based around pressing the opposition?

I think it is only Man City and Spurs that press almost all of the game? Hopefully. A few teams like Liverpool and Arsenal and Chelsea have quick players.
 


scooter1

How soon is now?
Propper and Stephens really need to get up to speed. We are missing Kayal.
I agree with the first sentence. But Kayal is not the answer.
I expected Propper and Gross to hit the ground running, but this hasn't happened. Hopefully the first 2 games has been an awakening for both our manager and the players. Time to kick on, and hope that the players(old and new) gel quickly
 






GolfingGull

Active member
Jul 21, 2013
588
Costa del Worthing
The Premier League is frantic. Laughed when I heard Bob Booker peddling the old 'have to be patient, more time to play' cliches. Used to be true but in the past few years it's more like basketball: end to end. Not just good players any more but exceptional athletes.

Very true. Watching MOTD closely now, it has really stood out how strong, physical and quick most players are now. I thought we played at a fast pace in the Championship but now we really seem pedestrian compared to most other PL teams. Good to see CH and the team are bringing in pacey attackers as Hemed, Murray, Murphy, Skalak, etc will really struggle to match the pace and power of most other teams.
 


Wrong-Direction

Well-known member
Mar 10, 2013
13,639
I'm looking forward to stringing more than 3 passes together

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Surf's Up

Well-known member
Jul 17, 2011
10,441
Here
Closing down, pressing, denying space to play is the name of the game now, we must've known that and yet we seem singularly unable/unwilling to adopt this tactic ourselves. Maybe it's the players we've got, maybe it's the manager, maybe it's both but we'd better bloody well start doing it or we will be sunk without trace.
 


Conelli98

New member
Dec 18, 2016
674
Closing down, pressing, denying space to play is the name of the game now, we must've known that and yet we seem singularly unable/unwilling to adopt this tactic ourselves. Maybe it's the players we've got, maybe it's the manager, maybe it's both but we'd better bloody well start doing it or we will be sunk without trace.

Totally agree with this post!
 


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