The Auditor
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why do we seem to always resort to bung it down the line....we nearly always give away possession ..
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Scotty Mac
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- Jul 13, 2003
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get mayo back in the team, or even better sign up ross johnson
Stevie Boy
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give away possesion from a throw in, we did it everywere else on the pitch so we might aswell give the ball to mansfield from a throw in aswell, makes a full set then
Where else should we bung it ? and why would it be less likely to result in losing possession (possibly nearer our goal) ?
withdeanwombat
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We bung the ball down the line for the same reason that we simply punt the ball somewhere and chase it.
It's one of Mr Wilkin's training ground manouevres.
It's one of Mr Wilkin's training ground manouevres.
Used to love him just for this reason.
I remember at Gillingham, when he was taking throws on the side with the stand our rent paid for, my friend and I used to tell him to use the run up space provided on the steps. The stewards actually took down the pathetic rope that was in place between the advertising hordings to let him do it.
It was like listening to a quirky Obi Wan Kenobi as the two of us bellowed out
"USE THE STEPS ROSS, THE STEPS!"
Superphil
Dismember
I think the reaosn is, whenever we get a dead ball, like a throw in, they f*** around trying to decide who is going to take it, wait for Whing to realise it's him, so he jogs up from the other side of the pitch, takes the ball and looks for someone to throw it to. Of course, by this time, the opposition have each taken one of our players, who are generally rooted to the spot, so he has no choice.
Another example (not a throw-in, I grant you), the winner against Bournemouth, Cox had been taking corners all night, pretty much each and every one of them carbon copies of the one before, place the ball, wait for our attackers to amble into the box, hit it high in the air, and land it in the keepers hands, nothing for the attackers to attack. But for the winner, the corner was won, Jake grabbed the ball, fired it in, low and fast, and without waiting an age, Revell did what strikers are supposed to do, directed it into the goal, simple.
This goes on throught the team, I guess it is a tactic from the training ground, but it doesn't work. Our players are not good enough, or bright enough to make this system work.
When they fire in quick balls, make early passes, into space, we look great, and we can score. This is an area where Revell revels, get the ball quickly to him on the wing, he will run and cross it before the defenders have a chance to react. It's what Bas used to do.
But Cox, Whing, Hammond and others, they seem to take an age to do anything, by the time they do, they have either been tackled, are in a difficult position to create from, or Nicky has gone too early and is now offside, or he's fallen asleep waiting.
Another example (not a throw-in, I grant you), the winner against Bournemouth, Cox had been taking corners all night, pretty much each and every one of them carbon copies of the one before, place the ball, wait for our attackers to amble into the box, hit it high in the air, and land it in the keepers hands, nothing for the attackers to attack. But for the winner, the corner was won, Jake grabbed the ball, fired it in, low and fast, and without waiting an age, Revell did what strikers are supposed to do, directed it into the goal, simple.
This goes on throught the team, I guess it is a tactic from the training ground, but it doesn't work. Our players are not good enough, or bright enough to make this system work.
When they fire in quick balls, make early passes, into space, we look great, and we can score. This is an area where Revell revels, get the ball quickly to him on the wing, he will run and cross it before the defenders have a chance to react. It's what Bas used to do.
But Cox, Whing, Hammond and others, they seem to take an age to do anything, by the time they do, they have either been tackled, are in a difficult position to create from, or Nicky has gone too early and is now offside, or he's fallen asleep waiting.
NMH
Banned
Excellent points, and a pretty well-rounded overview.
We rarely do anything spontaneous, or even something that (may be rehearsed but) surprises the opposition. Orient not only marked everyone and got numbers back, they managed (in their spare time, ffs) to get several players free and in space for attacks.
Dean Wilkins does NOT make decisions about subs until AFTER the bird has flown. He'll have a defender warming up ready, then we'll score and he'll sit the defender down.......while the opposition get one back. THEN he'll put the defender on.
Imagine, we are doing quite reasonably and getting points - what if we actually made the plays, had unique or surprising moves practised, and penetrated opposition defences without waiting or letting them have time to get back?
NMH
Banned
Nobody takes initiative in time, or moves about to create space for themselves (or others).
We are not dire, but we ARE dour.
Skint Gull
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The reason you throw the ball in down the line is because quite regularly if a defender can win the ball he will only be able to put it out for another throw and we'll be 20 yards up the pitch! If he does manage to get it to one of his own players our midfield shape is still intact and not caught WRONGSIDE of the ball!
Throw the ball inside to a centre midfielder and he doesn't win it one of their players is gonna be running STRAIGHT at our centre halfs!
It's really NOT rocket science chaps!
Throw the ball inside to a centre midfielder and he doesn't win it one of their players is gonna be running STRAIGHT at our centre halfs!
It's really NOT rocket science chaps!
Skint Gull
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NMH
Banned
The reason you throw the ball in down the line is because quite regularly if a defender can win the ball he will only be able to put it out for another throw and we'll be 20 yards up the pitch! If he does manage to get it to one of his own players our midfield shape is still intact and not caught WRONGSIDE of the ball!
Throw the ball inside to a centre midfielder and he doesn't win it one of their players is gonna be running STRAIGHT at our centre halfs!
It's really NOT rocket science chaps!
Your simple logic is brushed aside at every fixture I watch on MOTD EVERY weekend.
It looked good though, and especially followed by that last line and the
NMH
Banned
And of course, we'll "get there ourselves" by playing a lower quality of football, like standing stock-still at throwins after taking our time so they can defend them :thud:
Actually, make that a
NMH
Banned
Some people talk as if playing dull football is a requirement in this division - but it's that which will keep us there.
Skint Gull
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Your simple logic is brushed aside at every fixture I watch on MOTD EVERY weekend.
It looked good though, and especially followed by that last line and the
REALLY? I should imagine that is because when you are watching MOTD you are watching the HIGHLIGHTS so therefore they are not going to show you a throw in from the halfway line that went out further up the pitch are they!
If you watch the best teams, when they are not in the opposition attacking third, they will more often than not actually throw the ball in backwards to a centre half and pass the ball forward again. Do you really want 3rd division quality defenders doing that?
The trouble is whenever things are going wrong the fans are the first to pick up on things they think the team is doing wrong that nobody has thought of, when actually these things were the same when we were on an unbeaten run!
Unless there is an open player to throw the ball to it is much more sensible to throw a 50/50 ball into an area where you are not going to get caught than throw it inside and give away a counter attack!
sten_super
Brain Surgeon
I think we should be looking to pick out El-Abd from all the throw ins, so that he can pass it back to FDM, the spare man. That definitely can't go wrong.
NMH
Banned
REALLY? I should imagine that is because when you are watching MOTD you are watching the HIGHLIGHTS so therefore they are not going to show you a throw in from the halfway line that went out further up the pitch are they!
If you watch the best teams, when they are not in the opposition attacking third, they will more often than not actually throw the ball in backwards to a centre half and pass the ball forward again. Do you really want 3rd division quality defenders doing that?
The trouble is whenever things are going wrong the fans are the first to pick up on things they think the team is doing wrong that nobody has thought of, when actually these things were the same when we were on an unbeaten run!
Unless there is an open player to throw the ball to it is much more sensible to throw a 50/50 ball into an area where you are not going to get caught than throw it inside and give away a counter attack!
Fans are going to be RIGHT sometimes, when making points about lower quality of play in a lower division - because they know what better players and managers do in the higher league. It's the reason we realise that the 1st division is not of the same quality as the Prem - but it's also revealing the reason why we are in this division.
Saying we shouldn't want our defenders to DO what the best teams do, is saying you are happy to have lower quality football, and you don't actually WANT our players to even aspire to greater things.
Okay, yes - let's watch 3rd Division football without thinking it could be any better than this, or even talking about any points in the Albion's game that can be worked on - that will make us all sit quietly and clap politely like we are watching cricket every Saturday afternoon.
Alright everybody - accept that we are in the lower division, do not expect more of our players (or that defenders be asked to pass the ball forwards! Heaven forBID, not that!). That's the ticket.
NMH
Banned
REALLY? I should imagine that is because when you are watching MOTD you are watching the HIGHLIGHTS so therefore they are not going to show you a throw in from the halfway line that went out further up the pitch are they!
Yes yes, the HIGHLIGHTS, you know, the BEST bits where things happen that illustrate the EFFECTIVE parts of football.
Apparently you think I should watch the BAD bits, where they take RUBBISH throwins and say to myself "that's alright then, we do rubbish throwins just like United, so we must be doing something RIGHT".
Yes, that illustrates a lot, our rubbish is acceptable for the Premiership connoisseurs who watch the bits that are too bad to be seen on MOTD.