Thomas Mair and Westminster Magistrates Court.

[wellquickwoody]

And of course the apparent mental illness of the perpetrator is completely swept to one side in the scramble to 'hang him high' fuelled by that vile rag The Daily Mail.

Considering The Mail is pro Brexit, at least they are not trying to defend him.

 

[carlzeiss]

Considering The Mail is pro Brexit, at least they are not trying to defend him.

Are you sure about that ?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...fer-freer-prosperous-yes-GREATER-Britain.html

 

[synavm]

By definition shouldn't this be treated as terrorism like the Lee Rigby case?

 

[wellquickwoody]

Are you sure about that ?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...fer-freer-prosperous-yes-GREATER-Britain.html

Having just read my copy of MoS, no! Bloody surprised though!

 

[Thunder Bolt]

"The case is being dealt with by the Crown Prosecution Service’s Special Crimes Counter Terrorism Division and has been transferred to London because of its “special nature”.

Mr Mair, who is being held at Belmarsh Prison, south east London, said nothing as he was remanded in custody."

Westminster is deemed the most secure Magistrate's Court in the country and deals with all dangerous prisoners (more dangerous than average murderers). Belmarsh is the most secure prison and there are set protocols for dealing with dangerous prisoners like this.
The actual decision that the magistrate had to make (it was heard by a district judge rather than by a bench of three) was not contentious and could have been dealt with by any magistrates.

These are the correct answers. It will be some weeks before the next hearing, which will likely be a Plea & Case management hearing in Crown Court.

 

[studio150]

By definition shouldn't this be treated as terrorism like the Lee Rigby case?

All depends on how the CPS view the Terrorism Act 2000 in respect of this murder. Terrorism is effectively defined as:


(1)In this Act “terrorism” means the use or threat of action where—

(a)the action falls within subsection (2),

(b)the use or threat is designed to influence the government or an international governmental organisation or to intimidate the public or a section of the public, and

(c)the use or threat is made for the purpose of advancing a political, religious racial or ideological cause.

(2)Action falls within this subsection if it—

(a)involves serious violence against a person,

(b)involves serious damage to property,

(c)endangers a person’s life, other than that of the person committing the action,

(d)creates a serious risk to the health or safety of the public or a section of the public, or

(e)is designed seriously to interfere with or seriously to disrupt an electronic system.

(3)The use or threat of action falling within subsection (2) which involves the use of firearms or explosives is terrorism whether or not subsection (1)(b) is satisfied.



Given that a firearm was used the designed to influence the government or intimidate the public does not need to be proved, but the advancing a political, religious racial or ideological cause would need to be proved. As it would seem that this person was acting in isolation this may be difficult to prove (allowing for the reported words before the murder). It may just be a case that a charge of murder would be easier to prove beyond reasonable doubt against a charge of terrorism

 

[Thunder Bolt]

All depends on how the CPS view the Terrorism Act 2000 in respect of this murder. Terrorism is effectively defined as:


(1)In this Act “terrorism” means the use or threat of action where—

(a)the action falls within subsection (2),

(b)the use or threat is designed to influence the government or an international governmental organisation or to intimidate the public or a section of the public, and

(c)the use or threat is made for the purpose of advancing a political, religious racial or ideological cause.

(2)Action falls within this subsection if it—

(a)involves serious violence against a person,

(b)involves serious damage to property,

(c)endangers a person’s life, other than that of the person committing the action,

(d)creates a serious risk to the health or safety of the public or a section of the public, or

(e)is designed seriously to interfere with or seriously to disrupt an electronic system.

(3)The use or threat of action falling within subsection (2) which involves the use of firearms or explosives is terrorism whether or not subsection (1)(b) is satisfied.



Given that a firearm was used the designed to influence the government or intimidate the public does not need to be proved, but the advancing a political, religious racial or ideological cause would need to be proved. As it would seem that this person was acting in isolation this may be difficult to prove (allowing for the reported words before the murder). It may just be a case that a charge of murder would be easier to prove beyond reasonable doubt against a charge of terrorism

The charges are now indictments but he already has three of them, including murder of Jo Cox, & GBH with intent for the stabbing of the pensioner.

 

[Southern Scouse]

Due to the alleged right wing nature, how the murder was committed in broad daylight and who, a MP who has championed international causes the event has been branded "Potential terrorist ' threat. I understand that any crime tagged as such are automatically dealt with at Westminster and then to the OB. Also they are better prepared security wise for this type of incident.

 

[drew]

Are you sure about that ?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...fer-freer-prosperous-yes-GREATER-Britain.html

Isn't the Daily Mail pro Leave and the Mail on Sunday pro Remain.

Just as the Sun is pro Leave and the Times is pro Remain.

 

[Worried Man Blues]

It's nearer to the Tower of London and Traitors gate, unfortunately the scaffold isn't being erected.

 

[El Presidente]

Having just read my copy of MoS, no! Bloody surprised though!

Paul Dacre (editor of the Daily Mail........and recipient of €400,000 grant from the EU for his estate in Scotland) hates Geordie Greig (editor of the Mail On Sunday) with a passion. (take a look at Private Eye for more details).

They take the opposite view on as many issues as possible just to wind each other up

 

[Sussex Nomad]

I'm sure it's been said, I can't be bothered reading through 4 pages, but a major case will always be heard in London. Because of the nature of this case, it will literally be a 'lockdown' hearing. London is the only place in the country that can do this. I would expect he is being held in Paddington.

 

[whitelion]

I'm sure it's been said, I can't be bothered reading through 4 pages, but a major case will always be heard in London. Because of the nature of this case, it will literally be a 'lockdown' hearing. London is the only place in the country that can do this. I would expect he is being held in Paddington.

Belmarsh apparently.

 

[Sussex Nomad]

Belmarsh apparently.

Which despite its rep, is a top security prison.

 

[El Presidente]

Which despite its rep, is a top security prison.

Harry Redknapp says it's a top top security prison.

 

[fataddick]

I think things that are politically sensitive (as this case clearly is) will often end up tried in Central London, even things that are fairly 'minor' in comparison to murder.

For example, internet troll Joshua Bonehill (who was jailed last year for posting an anti-semitic image on Twitter) lives in Yeovil but was tried at Westminster magistrates.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Interesting place to hold him . Go's in as a far right Britain First Extremist comes out as an Islamist worldwide Caliphate fan?

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Good to see that all the papers (and this thread) have started properly calling him 'Thomas Mair'. Early reports were calling him 'Tommy' or 'Tom' which just sounded like a horribly matey way to address the murdering freak.

 

[tiberious]

Its not really a basic murder though is it,although i see what you are getting at.
Its a murder that has appalled everyone and an MP to boot,guardians of democracy and all that.
It deserves to be tried in the highest court in the land,actually deserves is the wrong word.....demands is more apt.

its a shame we dont have hanging still for the murder of an MP(where the evidence is clear as day)
but thats a different debate

Why is murder of an MP different from any other murder ? This is the old if they kill a Copper they should be hanged, Both MP's and coppers put themselves on show to the public in their role. You could argue the other way that Murder of an ordinary member of the public shouds be considered worse

 

[tiberious]

All criminal cases start at a magistrates court

All murder cases start in a Coroners court...as they decide if it was Murder... That is why police are also servants of HM Coroner and attend sudden deaths to seize the body for them so the coroner can ensure there has been no foul play