This anti muhammad film that's causing the trouble

[Doc Lynam]

If we were all fish, and sharks were offended, I'd assume the public would prefer it was written by fish

The fact is people are more offended when someone outside of their culture takes the piss out of them, than when one of their own does the same thing. Your example is a bit weird. A better example would be Green Day's American Idiot - had that have been written and performed by anyone other than American's I doubt the American public would have liked it so much. There's a difference between poking fun at yourselves and having others poke fun at you.

I understand your logic but don't agree, writer's do not need direct experience to make their work valid and of value.

 

[Triggaaar]

I understand your logic but don't agree, writer's do not need direct experience to make their work valid and of value.

I didn't say they did. I'm not talking about whether their work is valid, I'm talking about how people will react to it, which is what this thread is about.

 

[Doc Lynam]

I didn't say they did. I'm not talking about whether their work is valid, I'm talking about how people will react to it, which is what this thread is about.

Then in that case I would agree, but add that when criticism comes from within it can also be seen as a greater betrayal.

 

[Triggaaar]

Then in that case I would agree, but add that when criticism comes from within it can also be seen as a greater betrayal.

Yes, I expect that had this movie come from Muslims, Muslims would have been up in arms and claimed that the authors weren't really Muslims etc. But assuming it wasn't written by Muslims (sorry, can't be bothered to check), a negative reaction is more understandable.

I suppose I take it as read that they'd be up in arms about it, and I'd need to see it to think whether they have a point or not. What is fair game for people to take the piss? I suppose if someone made a film taking the piss out of disabled people or a race of people, I would think it was stupid, but I wouldn't be up in arms about it. Maybe if it was popular enough to encourage people to treat those targeted badly then I'd want to join those opposing the view, but that's about it.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Seems to be other trouble appearing around other US Embassy's around the world.

 

[34064 Fighter Command]

You'd have thought that following Salman Rushdie and the Danish cartoons ( which resulted in a number of journalists who worked at the newspaper which published them being killed ), that we in the West would have taken note that insulting the prophet Mohammed is just plain asking for trouble, like going up to a bullock in a field and punching it on the nose, for no good reason other than to provoke a reaction.

Well, guess what, we've got a reaction - qu'elle surprise. What's more, we don't seem to be learning from the 'error' of our ways.

You can say that the reaction is disproprtionate if you like, but the point is, that to a Muslim, it ISN'T. And until people get savvy to this, then they're just as much a problem, as an agent provocateur, to us as those they seek to provoke.

'Let sleeping dogs lie' was never a better epithet.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

You'd have thought that following Salman Rushdie and the Danish cartoons ( which resulted in a number of journalists who worked at the newspaper which published them being killed ), that we in the West would have taken note that insulting the prophet Mohammed is just plain asking for trouble, like going up to a bullock in a field and punching it on the nose, for no good reason other than to provoke a reaction.

Well, guess what, we've got a reaction - qu'elle surprise. What's more, we don't seem to be learning from the 'error' of our ways.

You can say that the reaction is disproprtionate if you like, but the point is, that to a Muslim, it ISN'T. And until people get savvy to this, then they're just as much a problem, as an agent provocateur, to us as those they seek to provoke.

'Let sleeping dogs lie' was never a better epithet.

What those film makers did was bloody stupid, agreed, but what is even more stupid is the reaction to it at the moment. It is doing nothing, and I mean nothing to help us understand what their religion is about.

 

[Camicus]

90% of the people getting irrate wouldnt have seen it anyway just an excuse to have a pop at the Yanks imho

 

[yxee]

Well, guess what, we've got a reaction - qu'elle surprise. What's more, we don't seem to be learning from the 'error' of our ways.

The only error I can spot is that some people have a different opinion on freedom of speech than others. That's no more an error than disliking olives.

 

[34064 Fighter Command]

What those film makers did was bloody stupid, agreed, but what is even more stupid is the reaction to it at the moment. It is doing nothing, and I mean nothing to help us understand what their religion is about.

My point s that we don't need to 'understand' their religion, but we do (for our own safety, and if we want to live on the same planet) need to RESPECT it.

Mocking it on YouTube isn't what would normally be described as showing respect.

I'm afraid, for all their emphasis on their right to free speech, it doesn't give the US ( or Salman Rushdie, or a Danish newspaper ), the moral high ground, if they use that right to take the p*** out of others sincerely held beliefs.

 

[34064 Fighter Command]

The only error I can spot is that some people have a different opinion on freedom of speech than others. That's no more an error than disliking olives.

If you use that freedom of speech to say things likely to offend, then that's an error in your judgement and ability to respect the other persons viewpoint.

For example, we have freedom of speech in this country, but if I were to go out and claim that the holocaust had a positive effect, because the Jewish people were able to establish a homeland, then I'd rightly be judged as causing offence. What I said would be innaccurate, crass and economical with the truth.

P.S. I am citing this viewpoint of the holocaust as an example of how to put peoples backs up and get them enraged, not as a genuine personal belief.

 

[yxee]

Fair enough, we have to draw a line somewhere, but I don't think that's an appropriate place to draw it, especially since the justification is based on terrorism.

 

[34064 Fighter Command]

If you're a normal everyday native American Indian, a negro Slave, a Vietnemese, Korean or Iraqui you had little choice but to accept the USA's brand of 'terror', usually in the form of a brutal beating, chains and shackles, napalm or a Stealth Bomber, just because they felt you could be useful to them.

It's a difficult position to adopt, but if you go around acting as the worlds policeman, you'll end up with at least as many enemies as you do friends. Better perhaps to take the pragamatic view, sit on the sidelines, and let people fight their own wars. The Swiss have been doing it for centuries and you couldn't say that they're not prosperous as a result.

 

[saslowi]

Come Nov 5th who's going to be in Lewes shouting "Burn the Pope"? Think what the reaction would be if the "Pope" was substituted with the other fella.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

This had f*** all to do with the USA administration, people or ambassador. Sick fucks.

 

[Leekbrookgull]

Those that are rebelling,try this EDUCATION. Then maybe you will see different ?

 

[Bevendean Hillbilly]

US embassy in Yemen up in smoke now.

 

[Stoo82]

One of my favourite old school gags of all time.
Have you seen the title of Salman Rushdie's new book? "Buddha, the fat bastard".
Religion's always good for a bit of a laugh........except THAT religion.

The twat in me wants to say that the 'fat Buddha' is of course just Budai the fat Buddist.

Buddha looked like this:

But I wont.

 

[Bwian]

90% of the people getting irrate wouldnt have seen it anyway just an excuse to have a pop at the Yanks imho

99% of that 90% are likely to be getting irate because they've been told to, either directly or by mob rule.

Religion, what a waste of life.

 

[toostonedtocare]

I have seen the pathetic film. The fact that it has caused death is just plain crazy. But it proves the human race is totally insane. One has to be mad to exist in it.