Theresa May and Alan Durban

[attila]

May's electioneering strategy reminds me of Alan Durban's legendary managerial tactics with Stoke City circa 1980. Turn up, park the bus and hope nothing happens for ninety minutes (in May's case, six weeks).

Corbyn has an air of last season's Ranieri about him. Only difference is Ranieri *just* had the entire corporate establishment to take on with a massively smaller budget and zero expectations - he didn't also have stories in the Sun and Mail every day saying that he was a dangerous baby-guzzling lunatic and that it was your patriotic duty to support one of the 'top five' 'cos they'd be more successful in Europe!

Of course, Leicester got further than they did there too, and so would Jeremy

 

[Dave the OAP]

Corbyn is Ranieri?

John how do you view the shadow chancellor addressing a rally in London with Stalinist flags prominently behind him?

I am no Tory, but as you know, the past can come back to haunt you and I think the press will soon be let loose to bring up IRA sympathising and anti NATO connections of the corbyn clan.

It will get nastier soon.

 

[Brian Fantana]

May's electioneering strategy reminds me of Alan Durban's legendary managerial tactics with Stoke City circa 1980. Turn up, park the bus and hope nothing happens for ninety minutes (in May's case, six weeks).

Corbyn has an air of last season's Ranieri about him. Only difference is Ranieri *just* had the entire corporate establishment to take on with a massively smaller budget and zero expectations - he didn't also have stories in the Sun and Mail every day saying that he was a dangerous baby-guzzling lunatic and that it was your patriotic duty to support one of the 'top five' 'cos they'd be more successful in Europe!

Of course, Leicester got further than they did there too, and so would Jeremy

The only slight issue with your analogy is that Ranieri had previously been there and done it with other clubs - in other words, he'd already proved himself up to the task. The issue with JC is that there's been no real evidence to suggest that he'd be any good as PM.

 

[Jack Straw]

Count how many times May says "Strong and stable leadership" and "Coalition of chaos" every time she's interviewed, whilst ducking every question.

 

[Bob!]

Count how many times May says "Strong and stable leadership" and "Coalition of chaos" every time she's interviewed, whilst ducking every question.

and 'improve our hand in Brexit negotiations'

 

[Brighton Mod]

Count how many times May says "Strong and stable leadership" and "Coalition of chaos" every time she's interviewed, whilst ducking every question.

I thought that, thats a first for a politician ducking the question, ffs!

 

[wellquickwoody]

There already seems to be an air of inevitable defeat around the Corbynistas, and plenty of whinging with it too. 'Oh the nasty Tory Press', 'that horrible right leaning BBC' and I am sure plenty more excuses will come alongside the probable further demise of socialism. When the press, right leaning and centreist,collectively and continually ridicule someone then there is almost certainly a credible basis for that ridicule. The fact that a sizeable proportion of the electorate would actually like to see a credible opposition leader but are worried that Jezza is not the correct choice should make the National Executive sit up and take notice.

The Labour Party SHOULD be worried that its figurehead is not embarassed by the Shadow Home Secretary making a complete arse of herself as it just shows that he does not actually care what the electorate thinks. He is more concerned by ideology and how to push upon to others than he is about listening to what the people want. Labour will almost certainly be trounced on June 8th, but not only should Corbyn be taking a very long, hard look at himself, but also those who are already making excuses on his behalf. We need a decent opposition and the centre/left need to work out how to provide one.

 

[studio150]

Here go, live from Westminster the Tories reel out the negative campaigning in launching their no bombs for the army poster.

 

[wellquickwoody]

Here go, live from Westminster the Tories reel out the negative campaigning in launching their no bombs for the army poster.

Have you seen the Diane Abbott video about the use of nuclear weapons on the other thread?

 

[dazzer6666]

May's electioneering strategy reminds me of Alan Durban's legendary managerial tactics with Stoke City circa 1980. Turn up, park the bus and hope nothing happens for ninety minutes (in May's case, six weeks).

Corbyn has an air of last season's Ranieri about him. Only difference is Ranieri *just* had the entire corporate establishment to take on with a massively smaller budget and zero expectations - he didn't also have stories in the Sun and Mail every day saying that he was a dangerous baby-guzzling lunatic and that it was your patriotic duty to support one of the 'top five' 'cos they'd be more successful in Europe!

Of course, Leicester got further than they did there too, and so would Jeremy

Ranieri didn't have Diane Abbott in attack or defence........

 

[Ernest]

What they really think of working class people

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-candidate-caught-sneering-working-10345181

 

[jimhigham]

Attila, you have taken me right back through the years there. You had me thinking the other day when you read Goldstone Ghosts. I, like many of us, was taken to my first game by my dad. 1981 v Stoke City and wouldn't you know it, it ended 0-0. Looking back at that I wonder why I ever wanted to go back.

And on the politics front, is it just me that finds the notion of a poster requiring "more bombs for the army" a little unsettling?

 

[attila]

There already seems to be an air of inevitable defeat around the Corbynistas, and plenty of whinging with it too. 'Oh the nasty Tory Press', 'that horrible right leaning BBC' and I am sure plenty more excuses will come alongside the probable further demise of socialism. When the press, right leaning and centreist,collectively and continually ridicule someone then there is almost certainly a credible basis for that ridicule. The fact that a sizeable proportion of the electorate would actually like to see a credible opposition leader but are worried that Jezza is not the correct choice should make the National Executive sit up and take notice.

The Labour Party SHOULD be worried that its figurehead is not embarassed by the Shadow Home Secretary making a complete arse of herself as it just shows that he does not actually care what the electorate thinks. He is more concerned by ideology and how to push upon to others than he is about listening to what the people want. Labour will almost certainly be trounced on June 8th, but not only should Corbyn be taking a very long, hard look at himself, but also those who are already making excuses on his behalf. We need a decent opposition and the centre/left need to work out how to provide one.

Most of our press is owned by five unelected billionaires who tell their editors what to print (apart from Dacre who doesn't need to be told what to print because he is even more right wing than Rothermere). What they tell them to print is screeds of endless abuse of the leaders and ideas of the Left, irrespective of stance, looks, personality, musical taste, football allegiance or length of nasal hair. This has been going on for generations - the only exception was '97 when Labour had a leader who was prepared to literally fly to Australia and beg Rupert Murdoch to support him, pledging that he wouldn't take action against his media empire. Anyone else in the Labour hot seat has got the same treatment. THAT IS TOTALLY UNDEMOCRATIC!

And it DOES influence people's voting behaviour! (I know this personally from the political arguments I have with my own Mail/Express reading extended family who will sometimes actually preface comments with 'It says in the paper that...') If it didn't, the editors would put different articles in - and the Sun wouldn't have run that 1992 front page 'It's The Sun Wot Won It'.

It's a real shame that much of the political talent within the current Labour Party won't serve alongside Jezza. (I won't be drawn into individual criticism but there have been some truly 'Bellotti press conference' moments from some of the forward line in recent times). Corbyn is a decent, principled man who has never played the establishment political game and refuses to be bullied by the media: he's not a 'celebrity politician' and doesn't want to be. He has been twice elected with massive majorities, the Labour Party is the biggest party in Europe - I joined 3 days after he was elected, having never thought I'd ever be a member of a political party again - there will be an army of canvassers in every winnable seat, and some of us are organising vote swaps and progressive alliances (locally Kemptown and hopefully Pavilion and Hove) despite Corbyn's disappointing failure to endorse them. I am not dispirited in the slightest, any more than I have ever been in the long campaign to save BHAFC and look where we got with that! But media bias IS undemocratic, in this election as it was with the ghastly xenophobia of the press during the referendum. (I started off Leave, and the Daily Mail and Sun convinced me to vote Remain!)

Of course, my original post was basically a bit of fun. But I do think Corbyn, as an internationalist but natural Eurosceptic in terms of the EU - as I am - would make an excellent negotiator, because he would be fighting for a Brexit based on social justice with no xenophobic baggage.

 

[neilbard]

The only slight issue with your analogy is that Ranieri had previously been there and done it with other clubs - in other words, he'd already proved himself up to the task. The issue with JC is that there's been no real evidence to suggest that he'd be any good as PM.

I wouldn't trust Corbyn to run a bath!

 

[wellquickwoody]

What they really think of working class people

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-candidate-caught-sneering-working-10345181

So it's OK to verbally abuse someone but not OK to highlight the irony of claiming to be 'working class'? Labour letting themselves down as always.

 

[BLOCK F]

The capacity for delusion amongst our left wing posters never ceases to amaze me.

 

[Stat Brother]

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[Brian Fantana]

Ranieri didn't have Diane Abbott in attack or defence........

Diane Abbott

There are no words to adequately describe how much of an idiot this woman is.

 

[Brian Fantana]

I wouldn't trust Corbyn to run a bath!

Me neither.

He'd get half way through running a bath, to only then decide that he actually wants a shower.

 

[ManOfSussex]

What they really think of working class people

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-candidate-caught-sneering-working-10345181

They've always had low opinions of their constituents - https://www.ft.com/content/97b6f7e6-ad46-11e2-b27f-00144feabdc0

You get people who are on benefits, who prefer to be on benefits by the seaside. They’re not moving down here to get a job, they’re moving down here to have easier access to friends and drugs and drink.