The young Man City Player & the car crash.

[smeariestbat]

thoughts are with the two teenage boys who are going to be leaving hospital with no parents to go home to.

 

[beorhthelm]

i do wonder why with a 70mph speed limit, cars will easily do over 120mph? why cant they be limited unless you go on a track day or something?

because we dont live in a dictatorship? as you point out, going inappropiate speed is usually the problem, not speed itself.

 

[Uwinsc]

because we dont live in a dictatorship? as you point out, going inappropiate speed is usually the problem, not speed itself.

But on a public road over 70mph is always inappropriate so why are cars able to go over that?

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

The BBC report states that he was driving a VW golf.

 

[bn1&bn3 Albion]

Don't know what it is like here but in Australia for motorcyclists you can't have over a certain powered bike until you have a full license.(takes about 2.5 years) should be the same for cars.

 

[Falkor]

The main issue for me is with driving, they teach you to pass a test they do not teach you how to drive a car

 

[Falkor]

The BBC report states that he was driving a VW golf.

It's confusing there are 2 people arrested one merc driver one vw driver

 

[beorhthelm]

Don't know what it is like here but in Australia for motorcyclists you can't have over a certain powered bike until you have a full license.(takes about 2.5 years) should be the same for cars.

its basically the same. they are a different kettle of fish, the handling of a bike changes with that increase in power and the competancy required to keep two wheels on the tarmac increases. with cars there isnt the same degree of change, the same skill in a 1.0l Ka will apply to a 3.2l Porshce. in fact its arguable its better in the Porshce as it will have better suspension and brakes, with performance car able to repsond more safely at 60-70. you'll run out of talent before the car does. Power in cars its not a good indicator much, a 2.0l turbo diesel repmobile will have more power than a 1.2 tuned up modded hatchback, which do you think will be drive more sensibly? depends on the driver of course.

 

[Stat Brother]

It's confusing there are 2 people arrested one merc driver one vw driver

One the other or both crashed into the Micra.

 

[wellquickwoody]

Young motorcyclists are limited by engine size and power, young car drivers should be the same. Maybe 500cc twin cylinder engines which take an age to accelerate and top out at 70 mph?

 

[drew]

The main issue for me is with driving, they teach you to pass a test they do not teach you how to drive a car

That is complete bollocks. People are taught to drive and to the standard required for a test. If people kept to that standard then the roads would be considerably safer but the vast majority of drivers chose not to. According to RoSPA, approx 40% of accidents are caused because drivers fail to make adequate observations. The best way to improve safety would be to make people take periodic tests to retain their licence.

As for young drivers, there should be restrictions placed on them but that should not have anything to do with the size of the car, as others have said, a bad driver will crash any car. Insurers could insist on 'black boxes' being fitted, especially to performance cars. The Norwich Union in 2002 introduced black box insurance but it never really took off. Perhaps if new drivers were required to have these, it would slow them down with the added incentive of reducing premiums! However, none these make a difference as they would need legislation to ensure it applied to all inexperienced drivers and if a party did propose it, you would get all the bleeding heart petrol heads complaining of infringement of civil liberties!!!

 

[Falkor]

No the test set up is bollocks there not taught to drive on motorways, there not to to drive in dangerous conditions all they are taught is how to pass a test, ask any traffic police officer this and i know a number of them and they all say the same.

 

[drew]

No the test set up is bollocks there not taught to drive on motorways, there not to to drive in dangerous conditions all they are taught is how to pass a test, ask any traffic police officer this and i know a number of them and they all say the same.

They might not drive on motorways but they should be taught to drive on dual carriage ways and the A23 is a motorway in all but name, same speed limits and same principles. As for dangerous conditions, how do you teach someone to drive in snow if there's no snow or even heavy rain if it doesn't rain. Traffic cops are taught to a much higher standard and will look down on the driving skills of anyone. That's not a criticism of them it's just a fact that they need greater skills to do their job. I would suggest that it is a certainty that if people drove to the same standard as they do on their test then there would be fewer accidents. Most accidents don't happen in heavy rain or snow so how do you eliminate them? What other 'dangerous' conditions do you think they should be taught to drive in?

 

[brakespear]

But on a public road over 70mph is always inappropriate so why are cars able to go over that?

Yes, absolutely this......the car doesn't need to go faster than 70mph so why should it

 

[marshy68]

I'm not going to comment on potential guilt or the cause of crash. Regardless of fault or cause, two people have loss their lives by being in the wrong place at the wrong time. That is a tragedy.

BBC News - Manchester Citys Courtney Meppen-Walter held over crash deaths

What stands out for me in that report: WTF is an 18 year old doing at the controls of a Mercedes? Forget the fact this person plays for Manchester City & despite being only 18, no doubt has the financial clout to buy a vehicle like this. It doesn't state what type of Merc this vehicle was, but I would be surprised if it was some 1200cc runabout.

Surely its time to toughen the law for younger drivers & have restrictions on them regarding the CC size of any vehicle they can drive, the time of day they can drive, like they do in The USA & Canada for example?

Some interesting views below:

http://www.youngdrivinginsurance.co.uk/restrictions-on-young-drivers.html

yep but they give them guns to sort out any roadside disputes.

 

[marshy68]

But on a public road over 70mph is always inappropriate so why are cars able to go over that?

i disagree 70mph on a motorway is slow. 70 mph down the kingsway is fast.

 

[marshy68]

No the test set up is bollocks there not taught to drive on motorways, there not to to drive in dangerous conditions all they are taught is how to pass a test, ask any traffic police officer this and i know a number of them and they all say the same.

the police and taxi drivers worst freaking drivers on the road.

 

[Woodchip]

They might not drive on motorways but they should be taught to drive on dual carriage ways and the A23 is a motorway in all but name, same speed limits and same principles. As for dangerous conditions, how do you teach someone to drive in snow if there's no snow or even heavy rain if it doesn't rain. Traffic cops are taught to a much higher standard and will look down on the driving skills of anyone. That's not a criticism of them it's just a fact that they need greater skills to do their job. I would suggest that it is a certainty that if people drove to the same standard as they do on their test then there would be fewer accidents. Most accidents don't happen in heavy rain or snow so how do you eliminate them? What other 'dangerous' conditions do you think they should be taught to drive in?

Skid pans.

 

[gully is my god]

http://www.youngdrivinginsurance.co.uk/restrictions-on-young-drivers.html

The insurance company that I work for wont insure professional footballers in case they have to payout the potential lifetime earnings, therefore footballers have to insure through specialist elite companies.

Im afraid to say that due to that, any young driver "laws" (these are normally decided by the insurance community than legally) and limits that get put in, will not be applied to these special clients at the underwriters discretion anyway.

Insurance is a land of loop holes, and a massive amount of money will always out way your potential risk.

 

[Mutts Nuts]

It's confusing there are 2 people arrested one merc driver one vw driver

Not suggesting they were but ,alot of youngsters do race each other on the roads could be just to rule this possibility out.