[TV] The Traitors - BBC

[Marshy]

I'm sure Harry has a plan, I can't see him not getting over the line in this.

Will be interesting viewing though.

 

[stewart12]

I'm very much #teamwonderboy

Come on Harry!

 

[ROSM]

So EVIE is in the firing line. She is doubting Andrew and now Harry

HARRY would sell his granny to win

ANDREW would share with Harry

MOLLIE trusts harry but doubts Andrew

JAZ doubts Harry and Andrew

If Jaz and Evie gang up and can persuade Mollie to get Andrew out with them (Harru wont defend Andrew) then its a shoot out and they go after Harry next and even Mollie's support wont help him.

Jaz and Evie have to keep their suspicions on Harry quiet for now so as not to spook harry/mollie

 

[Miximate]

Reckon Andrew will get found out tonight and his parting comment will sort H.

 

[The Wizard]

I struggle to see how the faithful can win from this position TBH, unless either Harry or Andrew get banished and pull a "parting gift" stunt like the one that did for Wilf last year. I think Harry definitely has Mollie under his spell, I think Andrew could convince Jaz to turn on Harry, so it probably comes down to Evie to decide which Traitor ends up winning outright.

They won't stop banishing tonight until they have caught a traitor, so one of Harry or Andrew will go. And Harry's last words on the show yesterday were basically "I'm going for all the money".

Harry has to go for all the money unfortunately, the faithful won’t end the game unless they get one more traitor, that’s why I think the traitors made a big mistake turning on Ross on Wednesday, he was the buffer they needed for both to win, now they are in serious danger.

Harry can only win if he throws Andrew under and Andrew can only win if he throws Harry under because the faithful won’t end the game until the final traitor is found as they know there is at least one left, it’s brutal really because both have played a good game in their own way.

Harry’s problem is if he gets Andrew out in the banishment tonight, Jaz will remain and he is very suspicious of Harry.

It’s pretty much impossible for the two traitors to share because they got rid of Ross

 

[Audax]

Given where it ended last night (although it could all change rapidly from the start of tonight's episode), I think this might be Harry's easiest route to winning:

1. Evie gets banished.
2. Harry agrees with Andrew that Jaz goes next; convinces Mollie to go that way.
3. Andrew banished, as Harry turns on him and Mollie knows there must still be a Traitor and so far trusts Harry fully.
4. Harry wins.

 

[Mellotron]

Harry has played a great game but I think Jaz will be his undoing if the game ends as it did last year where the game can only ends when everyone agrees there is no traitor left amongst them, he is Harry’s kryptonite, the only way Harry could escape is if he throws Andrew under the bus at the last banishment.

Andrew is doomed because they know there is at least one traitor left and if they banish Evie tomorrow as you’d expect and she announces she’s a faithful the eyes will go to him first.

For Harry to win he unfortunately has to throw Andrew under the bus, which is a shame as I genuinely like the bloke.

My hope is either a Jaz and Evie win, or for Andrew to win without ever really knowing how or why. It would be quite funny after all of Harry's best laid out plans.

 

[Gazwag]

Harry has to go for all the money unfortunately, the faithful won’t end the game unless they get one more traitor, that’s why I think the traitors made a big mistake turning on Ross on Wednesday, he was the buffer they needed for both to win, now they are in serious danger.

Harry can only win if he throws Andrew under and Andrew can only win if he throws Harry under because the faithful won’t end the game until the final traitor is found as they know there is at least one left, it’s brutal really because both have played a good game in their own way.

Harry’s problem is if he gets Andrew out in the banishment tonight, Jaz will remain and he is very suspicious of Harry.

It’s pretty much impossible for the two traitors to share because they got rid of Ross

I think Andrew may go first so Jaz and Evie then vote for Harry, but that will probably end up Harry 2 Evie 2 as Mollie is too smitten with Harry to split the vote. Then its a toss of the coin which will decide if Harry wins it all or Jaz Evie and Mollie get a third each - I do think that Mollie will mess it up for the faithful and end up with nothing except a broken heart when you finds out she's been led a merry dance

 

[Mellotron]

Is Mollie aware Harry has a girlfriend, who is also a CBBC Presenter, curiously enough?

 

[The Wizard]

Harry has played it very clever so far but with Jaz in play his next move is absolutely crucial.

Take Andrew out and risk Andrew getting emotional and sabotaging his game, also risks Evie smarting into the fact he’s lead the charge against every traitor

If he tries to take Jaz out it leaves the faithful knowing a traitor is in the final 4 + if he doesn’t succeed it starts to look suspect, it’s where Jaz has been clever because he’s made the choice to hold back his doubts of Harry, which means he’s been kept alive, I’d have killed him for the final murder and not Zack.

Go for Evie, who is the obvious choice, but that leaves Jaz who is the only one who sees Harry for what he is.

I’m confused how the game will end though, if there is two traitors left in the final 4 couldn't they just vote the two faithfuls out? Last year it was only Wilf left in the final 4, I remember they used the powder that went green or red in the fire to decide if they wanted to end the game and if one voted red they had to vote.

 

[ROSM]

As ive said before. Evie's best hope (and maybe jaz) is to go after Andrew and hope mollie backs them. Harry is unlikely to defend him. Then its a 2-2 split as evie and jaz bot suspect harry. If harry gets mollie to back him and vote out jaz ((or evie) and its and its revealed theyre not traitors it will make him more obvious

 

[Freddo]

I'll be so annoyed if Andrew/Harry does go and rats the other one out. Thought the ending of the last series was completely ruined by what Kieran did. I mean, if Traitors can tell the others who the traitors are, then what's the point?!

 

[Audax]

I'll be so annoyed if Andrew/Harry does go and rats the other one out. Thought the ending of the last series was completely ruined by what Kieran did. I mean, if Traitors can tell the others who the traitors are, then what's the point?!

I suspect Kieran broke the rules (in a clever way) last season. Can't remember if they had the Traitors pledge stuff in season 1? If they did - he broke it. Wouldn't be surprised if they've done something behind the scenes this season to discourage it.

 

[stewart12]

I suspect Kieran broke the rules (in a clever way) last season. Can't remember if they had the Traitors pledge stuff in season 1? If they did - he broke it. Wouldn't be surprised if they've done something behind the scenes this season to discourage it.

yeh if he didn't break the rules he certainly got close to it. My memory is that as voted for Wilf, calling it a "parting gift" and then very obviously signalled to Wilf as he was leaving. It definitely ruined it as before then I don't think they had a clue that Wilf was a traitor

would be very disappointing if we see similar tonight

 

[MattBackHome]

They've definitely tweaked a few bits (like the order of people coming to breakfast) in order to fix up round the edges of the rules, so I would hope that there is a way of doing similar with the Kieran situation. Agreed it was snide. I would perhaps offer banished traitors a small amount of the traitor pot (if the traitor wins) so they have a vested interest in not bubbling up the other traitor(s).

 

[Seagull27]

They've definitely tweaked a few bits (like the order of people coming to breakfast) in order to fix up round the edges of the rules, so I would hope that there is a way of doing similar with the Kieran situation. Agreed it was snide. I would perhaps offer banished traitors a small amount of the traitor pot (if the traitor wins) so they have a vested interest in not bubbling up the other traitor(s).

I like that idea.

However for tonight, I think this issue of banished traitors giving the game away, could work out for Andrew. Harry may not risk it and settle for splitting the money - it probably depends on who goes out in the first round of banishments.

I do wonder what happens if it gets down to Andrew, Harry and Mollie - does the game end there automatically because the faithful can't win, or could Harry and Mollie go a further round and choose to banish Andrews?

 

[Audax]

They've definitely tweaked a few bits (like the order of people coming to breakfast) in order to fix up round the edges of the rules, so I would hope that there is a way of doing similar with the Kieran situation. Agreed it was snide. I would perhaps offer banished traitors a small amount of the traitor pot (if the traitor wins) so they have a vested interest in not bubbling up the other traitor(s).

It's a tricky one, isn't it? There's definitely a side to the way the game is played that should allow for Traitors-vs-Traitor conflict to happen. Let's face it, in this series the Faithfuls haven't done a very good job of finding the Traitors without help from other Traitors. Ash was thrown under a bus. Miles vs Paul. Paul vs Harry. Harry and Andrew ejecting Ross. But so far this season, it's all been done fairly IMO.

The other possibility is that all the players receive a basic "participation payment" (increasing based on how long they survive) [no idea if they already do or not]. If a Traitor breaks the rules to out another Traitor, then that payment becomes forfeit.

 

[The Colonel]

But so far this season, it's all been done fairly IMO.

I generally agree with you, but Ross v Andrew a couple of nights ago was borderline.

"If I go tonight, I want you all to look at this man very closely."

If the Faithful were more switched on, that should have given it away.

 

[Mellotron]

Go for Evie, who is the obvious choice, but that leaves Jaz who is the only one who sees Harry for what he is.

Getting rid of Evie blows the "it's Jasmine or Evie" theory from last night out of the water and would potentially heap pressure on Harry.

 

[The Wizard]

Getting rid of Evie blows the "it's Jasmine or Evie" theory from last night out of the water and would potentially heap pressure on Harry.

True but then he could turn on Andrew, as I suspect the rest of them will turn on Andrew before him, I think at this point Harry directing everyone to yet another traitor might only heighten the attention on him, particularly given Harry and Andrew have been close friends the whole way through.