The Titanic sinking, or was it....

[Danny-Boy]

Never-before-seen photos of the Titanic Photos | Never-before-seen photos of the Titanic Pictures - Yahoo! News UK

Interesting that this shows the "Titanic" broke in two as it sank. Why?

Well someone wrote a book a few years back stating that there was a switch of identities between the "Titanic" and its sister ship the "Olympic" in Harland & Woolf before the maiden voyage.

The "Olympic" had just had an encounter in the Solent with an old-fashioned Navy ship which still had a a "ram" on the bow. That apparently did a lot of damage to the "Olympic" and it had to return to H and W for major repairs.

This guy postulated that the "Olympic" was so badly damaged that it was a write-off and that the White Star boss Bruce Ismay hitched up a scheme to swap ID's of the ships - which were NEARLY but not quite identical - and then get the Titanic sunk in a collision out at sea (with nearby ships to rescue the passengers including himself ) and the get the insurance money.

But it all went wrong...would be interesting to know where the damage to the "Olympic" was sustained, as it would have weakened the hull in that area.

The "Olympic" or "Titanic as Olympic" went on to have a blameless career and was broken up I think before WW2. There is a hotel somewhere in England with a load of furnishings from it.

Sorry my one brain-cell has given up now. Over to you intelligensia..

 

[Drumstick]

Oh god, Expect [MENTION=17759]Falmer[/MENTION] to arrive any min to warn us all about some killer government onions.

 

[Barrel of Fun]

Brilliant photos. I LOVE looking at shipwrecks.

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

What a bag of ole shite.

Posters are up in the movie theatres for 3D version of Titanic....coming soon. A wet-look Leonardo in 3D! Who could possibly ask for more?!?!

 

[Seagull on the wing]

Titanic did break in two...the bow went down...stern rose high and the pressure was too much, the ship broke in two. It was thought afterwards that the steel was very brittle in the cold.

 

[GoldWithFalmer]

Explosions in the engine rooms coupled with weakened superstructure due to hitting Ice and sheer weight of water at one end of the vessel perhaps offer a non conspiracy reason.

 

[BHAFC_Pandapops]

I believe the great ship broke in two because of the forces involved. It was 900-odd foot long, no? I heard the gash on the side of the ship which sunk her was 300ft long. Thus, with all that water pouring in over a third of the ship, with that 1/3rd portion of the bow underwater, and a third of the stern out of water, plus the fact most of propulsion equipment was in the stern, wouldn't it split apart from the immense weight the stern put on the beam of the ship?

I saw photos that showed the keel was compacted as the deck and hull structure ripped and buckled up.

Plus, the damage to her sister Olympic never really looked sufficient enough to compromise the hull strength. The picture showed a large hole right above the waterline, but not enough, again, to compromise.

It's an interesting topic though, insurance fraud, conspiracy, murder? Will this thread make a thumping good read?

 

[readingstockport]

I heard the gash on the side of the ship which sunk her was 300ft long.

Who from? Until a few years ago the wreck had not been found let alone pictured. So who did you 'hear this from'? Conspiracy theory websites do not count, sensible scientific sites only please.

Thus, with all that water pouring in over a third of the ship, with that 1/3rd portion of the bow underwater, and a third of the stern out of water, plus the fact most of propulsion equipment was in the stern, wouldn't it split apart from the immense weight the stern put on the beam of the ship?

Irrelevant until you provide a verifiable scientific source for your previous comment.

I saw photos that showed the keel was compacted as the deck and hull structure ripped and buckled up.

Wonderful, share the link.

It's an interesting topic though, insurance fraud, conspiracy, murder? Will this thread make a thumping good read?

No it's not. It's the usual conspiracy theory bollocks with little or no basis in reality.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

Never-before-seen photos of the Titanic Photos | Never-before-seen photos of the Titanic Pictures - Yahoo! News UK

Interesting that this shows the "Titanic" broke in two as it sank. Why?

Well someone wrote a book a few years back stating that there was a switch of identities between the "Titanic" and its sister ship the "Olympic" in Harland & Woolf before the maiden voyage.

The "Olympic" had just had an encounter in the Solent with an old-fashioned Navy ship which still had a a "ram" on the bow. That apparently did a lot of damage to the "Olympic" and it had to return to H and W for major repairs.

This guy postulated that the "Olympic" was so badly damaged that it was a write-off and that the White Star boss Bruce Ismay hitched up a scheme to swap ID's of the ships - which were NEARLY but not quite identical - and then get the Titanic sunk in a collision out at sea (with nearby ships to rescue the passengers including himself ) and the get the insurance money.

But it all went wrong...would be interesting to know where the damage to the "Olympic" was sustained, as it would have weakened the hull in that area.

The "Olympic" or "Titanic as Olympic" went on to have a blameless career and was broken up I think before WW2. There is a hotel somewhere in England with a load of furnishings from it.

Sorry my one brain-cell has given up now. Over to you intelligensia..

Documentary on this switching theory
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[BHAFC_Pandapops]

Who from? Until a few years ago the wreck had not been found let alone pictured. So who did you 'hear this from'? Conspiracy theory websites do not count, sensible scientific sites only please.

I've attached a picture (not a wreck photo) judging by what people already know about the disaster, the berg opened a substantial gash along the waterline. It took 2 hours or so to sink, correct? Surely that would be enough time for water to fill 5 compartments (titanic was supposed to be unsinkable in that not only was she double keeled, but her bulkheads were designed such that the ship could stay afloat with 4 bulkheads flooded, not 5, which inevitably happened, as the damage extended under the 5th). If the ship was just under 900 ft long, wouldn't that surmise that the wound to the hull was about 300ish foot long?

Irrelevant until you provide a verifiable scientific source for your previous comment.

With that, the water then spills bulkhead over bulkhead, back and back, until the ship has dipped in such a way that water finds its way in through grates, grills, windows, air ducts, doors, etc, pushing the bow down faster.

Wonderful, share the link.

Still working on that one.

No it's not. It's the usual conspiracy theory bollocks with little or no basis in reality.

And surely it rouses interest? It's a world famous disaster.

 

[BHAFC_Pandapops]

it was more like a simulation as to how she broke apart, sorry.

 

[Triggaaar]

I thought everyone knew the Titanic was really the Olympic, and sent off to be sunk with a couple of thousand passengers on it. The unanswered question at the time, was 'why wasn't it sunk in deep water on route to Southampton when it wasn't full of passengers?' and an investigation found that they decided it would be funnier if thousands died.

Interesting that this shows the "Titanic" broke in two as it sank. Why?

Because as the front took on water, it got heavy and started sinking, lifting the back in the air. It wasn't built to take it's own weight supported in mid air.


Interesting fact:
No aeroplane, ship, boat or car has ever crashed by accident. All incidents have been deliberately calculated by dastardly money men.

 

[Cars]

It's already been proven they weren't switched, as the port holes were different on the 2 ships. Watched a documentary on the subject about 2 years ago

 

[Guy Fawkes]

It's already been proven they weren't switched, as the port holes were different on the 2 ships. Watched a documentary on the subject about 2 years ago

See post 9
section on port holes is about 34 minutes in

 

[NMH]

I thought everyone knew the Titanic was really the Olympic, and sent off to be sunk with a couple of thousand passengers on it. The unanswered question at the time, was 'why wasn't it sunk in deep water on route to Southampton when it wasn't full of passengers?' and an investigation found that they decided it would be funnier if thousands died.

Because as the front took on water, it got heavy and started sinking, lifting the back in the air. It wasn't built to take it's own weight supported in mid air.


Interesting fact:
No aeroplane, ship, boat or car has ever crashed by accident. All incidents have been deliberately calculated by dastardly money men.

You just wrote brunswick's response for him.
He owes you royalties

 

[NMH]

Of course, SWAPPING the two ships would be as simple to do in SECRET as planting explosives in the Twin Trade Towers!

This conspiracy tv programme stands to make money, "by hook or by crook"

 

[smudge]

Most modern cruise ships are "2 compartment ships" these days. In other words, if we flood more than 2 water tight compartments, we are f***ed, definitely sinking, no doubt. Also, the water tight compartments are able to overflow on liners & cruise ships if the pumps aren't able to deal with the rate of flooding.

(Writing this from my office here on the Norwegian Sun, where I'm Safety Officer).

We have 16 water tight compartments from deck 2 & below, but the water tight doors only stop the flooding as high as deck 2 in each compartment; if we suffer damage across more than 2 compartments, then it's time to get in the life boats and rafts.

On another point, that Vicente's a bit warm!

 

[Huple]

so did leonardo di caprio die or not or was that crap as well ?

 

[Norman Potting]

"Titanic" - The ship that never sank? by Robin Gardiner summarises the author's theories about the "Titanic"/"Olympic" swap and the insurance scam to end all insurance scams. An entertaining read but like most (o.k. all) conspiracy theories has lots of holes in it, the usual one of lots of people having to have known about the plan and kept quiet about it afterwards.

I thought that Robert Ballard's book had established that the wreck lies in two pieces thus showing that it broke up. Not sure what these new pictures will show - maybe Sheargar and Lord Lucan waving at the camera?

For all you "Titanic" anoraks out there (hands up here, I have always found the story fascinating), here is a link to Wikipedia about the conspiracy.

RMS Titanic alternative theories - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The 1997 film was great if they had ditched all the gloopy Di Caprio/Winslet stuff (ok perhaps not the bit when he sketches her) and just told the tale a la "A Night To Remember". With the benefit of all that CGI available to him I thought that Cameron did a good job of the actual event bearing in mind that the length of the film could have easily accommodated a "real time" account of the sinking which only took 2hrs 20min ish from hitting iceberg to the end.

 

[Cars]

The titanic hit the iceberg on my birthday, and the wreck was found the year I was born. Coincidence? I don't think so, pretty sure I'm a reincarnation of the captain. Or more likely someone from steerage!