The self-pass rule

[Mellotron]

Nah, thin end of the wedge, football's perfect as it is, don't change anything, etc

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Like so many other things in football, I think that poor or inconsistent interpretation of the existing laws is actually a bigger issue than the laws themselves.

On this specific subject of cynically stopping the momentum of an attack - if yellows were consistently handed out for what are in theory MANDATORY bookings, it would immediately become much less of an issue. Take for example, that thing when a player concedes a foul, then picks up the ball, and holds it whilst they wander away, before lobbing it halfway back, once they (and their team-mates) are back behind the ball. Happens every game, and there is simply ZERO justification for an outfield player to pick up a dead ball, yet players are almost NEVER carded for it.

Not shit laws. Just shit refereeing.

 

[Dick Head]

Amongst several ideas mooted by David Elleray, I see the hockey self-pass rule has been floated to incorporate into football.

In essence, it simply means that when a free kick is awarded, a player doesn’t have to pass the ball to someone, or shoot. He can simply start dribbling with the ball, immediately if he likes. Or he can still wait for the 10 yards and then either pass/shoot as before, or start dribbling with it. But if an opponent is within 10 yards of the ball and deliberately tackles the self-pass, he gets carded. I’m struggling to see the downside to this.

1. It keeps the game flowing. No more arguing the toss with the ref over the free kick, because the defence will immediately have to retreat in preparation of the fouled played running at them.

2. It gives a distinct advantage to the fouled side, enabling a more immediate attacking threat, and diminishing the benefit of those cynical deliberate fouls that just allow everyone to get back and get organised.

3. It sounds like fun.

Why can't we just go back to kicking an inflated pig's bladder from one end of the village to the other?

 

[theboybilly]

I would prefer them to get the offside law back as it was before introducing gimmicks like 'self -pass' laws

 

[Easy 10]

Why can't we just go back to kicking an inflated pig's bladder from one end of the village to the other?

That is the COOLEST thing I've ever seen on here. How did you make my quote melt away to blah blah land ?

TEACH ME

 

[Iggle Piggle]

I like it. I used to play hockey and it works as you have the spare man and not the other team. Teams having the ball should have the advantage.

In Hockey, however, no one encroached the space when a free kick was awarded because you could hoof a ball into a player knackers / knee / ankle and it was THIER fault because they were too close. In football, we will need strong refereeing which isn't the same as the self interest in keeping your left testicle.

 

[beorhthelm]

yeah, like the second point, giving a clear advantage to attackers and discouraging the tactical foul.

 

[Peter Grummit]

Like so many other things in football, I think that poor or inconsistent interpretation of the existing laws is actually a bigger issue than the laws themselves.

On this specific subject of cynically stopping the momentum of an attack - if yellows were consistently handed out for what are in theory MANDATORY bookings, it would immediately become much less of an issue. Take for example, that thing when a player concedes a foul, then picks up the ball, and holds it whilst they wander away, before lobbing it halfway back, once they (and their team-mates) are back behind the ball. Happens every game, and there is simply ZERO justification for an outfield player to pick up a dead ball, yet players are almost NEVER carded for it.

Not shit laws. Just shit refereeing.

Yeah, exactly.

Players are clearly taught to automatically delay any free kick or throw in against them by standing next to the ball, nudging it away, picking it up etc. It's tedious, and there is the remit within the existing laws to clamp down on it. Refs are much more lenient these days on kicking the ball away, it has to be ridiculously blatant and usually at the end of a game with a team hanging on for them to get the Y out. Drives me mad.

PG

 

[Tim Over Whelmed]

The rule does nothing to change that though? Under the current rules that player preventing the kick being taken, would be yellow carded - which is exactly what the proposed rule suggests for a tackle.

and how consistently is that rule applied, standard Ops is for one player to stand in front of the ball and argue with ref, move ball, distract player whilst his mates do their hair, straighten their shirts and get into the perfect position once the keeper has taken out his slide rule. I'm all for this, as people have said keeps the game flowing and gives less advantage to the cheats.

 

[hans kraay fan club]

and how consistently is that rule applied, standard Ops is for one player to stand in front of the ball and argue with ref, move ball, distract player whilst his mates do their hair, straighten their shirts and get into the perfect position once the keeper has taken out his slide rule. I'm all for this, as people have said keeps the game flowing and gives less advantage to the cheats.

It isn't. That is my point