The Pope is coming!

[Safe.]

Did Pimp My Ride make his whip?

 

[Martinf]

I guess he'll be visiting other stadiums as well, such as Wembley, The Millenium Stadium, Ibrox, Murrayfield etc

Not sure if he'll get a good reception at Ibrox although they may let him off as he was once a member of the Hitler Youth.

 

[Marc]

Did Pimp My Ride make his whip?

 

[clapham_gull]

Correct me if I am wrong but this old gent is:

1) An ex member of the Hitler Youth?
2) Has strong homophobic views and is openly vocal with these views?
3) The Head of an organisation that institutionally discriminates against gay rights etc?
4) Has strong Islamophobic views and is openly vocal with these views?
5) the Head of an organisation which has been involved 'institutionally' in the abuse of children and has actively sought to cover up such abuse when it has happened around the world.
6) Unapologetic about point 5 probably for legal reasons.............such is his commitment to repentance.
7) Heads an organisation that is worth literally billions (see also point 6) in art property, stocks, shares and has its own bank, yet remains comfortable to see his 'lambs' live in abject poverty around the globe...............parable with the camel and eye of a needle springs to mind.
8) Makes matters worse for those in 7) by letting them f*** themselves into greater poverty, misery and disease by not sanctioning contraception.

Sounds a right 21st century guy................if the UK are not allowing US shock jocks and democratically elected Dutch politicians who we disagree with, who the f*** decided to let this mad c*nt in the country?

Personally I would chuck him in the oven................no offence like...............I am ex-Newman.

.. and yet if he wanted to buy as Premiership club, he'd probably pass the fit and proper person test.

 

[Nigella's Cream Pie]

1st geezer: Is the Pope Catholic?
2nd geezer: Is the Pope Catholic?
1st geezer: Thats what I said, so?
2nd geezer: Is the Pope Catholic?
so on ad infinitum

 

[Scampi]

And of course saying art is 'worth millions' completely misses the point of the art in the first place. It was not commissioned to be sold on, it was mostly commissioned to enhance worship. Saying it is 'worth millions' is to treat worship as a commodity, which it is not. It just happens that it is so well done that people are prepared to pay millions for some of it. Treating it as being worth millions would be putting mammon ahead of God by reducing a worship aid into merely a material thing.

A lot of the wealth also comes from property values, but in truth many of the properties are actually a day-to-day liability if you think of them in monetary terms, due to exorbitant heating and maintenance costs, etc.

Still, nice to see another thread where the bigots are happy to trot out all the negatives without acknowledging any of the positives.

Not that I'm a Catholic or anything. But fair's fair.

Interesting how you concentrate on the Art, yet ignore the other vast assets of the church.

 

[cunning fergus]

1. Yes, it would have taken an incredibly brave teenager not to have been.
2. Catholic teaching may be backward (in my opinion) regarding homosexuality, but is very anti-homphobic
3. Wouldn't necessarily argue with that
4. Doesn't at all. Was misquoted and has done a lot since then to make amends for said mistake.
5. Certain individuals within the church have taken part in such horrendous activities. I would say its wrong to label this with the church as an organisation - could easily throw such a generalising label at scouts, Church of England, schools etc...
6. Not true (not that it makes it better)
7. I agree in principle with you, but don't underestimate the work the Catholic church does against poverty.
8. Doesn't sanction contraception, but doesn't sanction sex at all if there is risk of infection. If you are going to break one rule, why not both?

1) Well he would earn more respect if he had have been brave and not a coward, teenager or not. A lot of Nazi sympathisers’ had their epiphany moments during the last days of WW2; better a Russki on top than a Yank overhead as the German ladies used to say. Anyway its a delicious irony that an ex member of the Hitler Youth now fronts up an organisation that allowed its diplomatic channels to be used to spirit Nazis away from Europe to South America and escape justice. Just another shameful episode in the Catholic Church’s long dark history I am sure you will agree?

2) So Backward teaching on homosexuality is also very anti-homophobic, can you explain that sounds like a drawn out oxymoron to me?

3) Does this contradict your point in 2)?

4) Yes, misquoted I see. I guess as the leader of a global Christian orthodoxy he must absolutely f***ing love muslims.

5) The organisation has a real problem with sex cases and deviants, and whilst it is true that the Catholic Church is not alone in that regard 2 wrongs don’t make a right do they? The highest levels of the Catholic Church here and abroad have done their upmost to prevent transparency and justice for the abused. Given this institutional denial you may still consider it to be a Church with honest holy men, I don’t.

6) I don’t underestimate it, however I know they could do much more if they got out of banking and sold off its assets? As it stands the Catholic Church is like a multi millionaire (like Bono and Geldof) berating one group of poor people for not giving money to another group of poor people. Imagine the PR if they did, but they won't. They'll still charge people to look at stuff in the Vatican like a theme park, and you will be able to buy papal lighters, papal combs and papal ash trays from the sanctioned kiosks in the square.

7) He has the ability to make a difference, but he doesn’t, so people are dying and living in misery in the poorest countries around the world. He’s a tyrant and has the blood of many on his hands.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

1) An ex member of the Hitler Youth?

The English royal families relatives started a war.

2) Has strong homophobic views and is openly vocal with these views?

The Dehli Lama has more extreme views on gays the the Pope.

3) The Head of an organisation that institutionally discriminates against gay rights etc?

It's like any club, if you don't share their views don't join it.

EVERY person and every group discriminates in some way.

There's gay clubs that ban straight people entering, discrimination?

4) Has strong Islamophobic views and is openly vocal with these views?

Does it?

The last few Popes have been keen on dialogue with other faiths to mend bridges.

The problem with Islam is that there's no one leader with which to discuss such things because there's so many different Islamic leaders and versions of it.

5) the Head of an organisation which has been involved 'institutionally' in the abuse of children and has actively sought to cover up such abuse when it has happened around the world.

Your own government has done the very same thing.

It's not specific to anyone group or nation.

6) Unapologetic about point 5 probably for legal reasons.............such is his commitment to repentance.

He has apologised.

He apologised in Australia, USA, Canada off the top of my head.

You need to keep up a bit better.

7) Heads an organisation that is worth literally billions (see also point 6) in art property, stocks, shares and has its own bank, yet remains comfortable to see his 'lambs' live in abject poverty around the globe...............parable with the camel and eye of a needle springs to mind.

You do realise alot of those things are priceless antiquities aren't object you would just put on ebay to flog off for a few bob or chuck on antiques roadshow for a valuation.

The same thing could be said about the English Royal Family, but it would be silly to expect them to sell everything up because it's never going to happen.

So ask yourself, what's more appropriate selling a church where some poor Peruvian attends each sunday to be part of their community or letting some posh English woman keep her 27 castles so she can holiday in luxury.

Perspective.

8) Makes matters worse for those in 7) by letting them f*** themselves into greater poverty, misery and disease by not sanctioning contraception.

Uganda has the largest Catholic population in Africa. It also has one of the better records for reducing the incidence of Aids.

Preaching fidelity has helped that nation tackle a serious issue that is far more complicated than saying "wear a condom".

Sounds a right 21st century guy................if the UK are not allowing US shock jocks and democratically elected Dutch politicians who we disagree with, who the f*** decided to let this mad c*nt in the country?

Yeah the 21st century is so great.

Won't find many people in western societies who now feel safer walking the streets at night compared to years gone by.

So what's so f***ing great about this 21st century thought process?

Personally I would chuck him in the oven................no offence like...............I am ex-Newman.

So at the end you're not really someone who should be commenting with views like that.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

1) Well he would earn more respect if he had have been brave and not a coward, teenager or not. A lot of Nazi sympathisers’ had their epiphany moments during the last days of WW2; better a Russki on top than a Yank overhead as the German ladies used to say. Anyway its a delicious irony that an ex member of the Hitler Youth now fronts up an organisation that allowed its diplomatic channels to be used to spirit Nazis away from Europe to South America and escape justice. Just another shameful episode in the Catholic Church’s long dark history I am sure you will agree?

You're the brave one sitting at your computer pontificating and calling others cowards.

Like at 15-18 you would have stood up to the Nazi war machine if it was all around you.

You are awesome at sweeping statements.

But just to show you for the uninformed person you are.

BROMBERG MASSACRES (September, 1939)

The most victimized class of Polish society was the clergy. In Pomerania, only 20 of its 650 priests were allowed to remain, the rest were either shot or sent to concentration camps. In Wroclaw, 49% of its priests were killed. In Chelmno, 48%, Lodz, 37% and Poznan, 31%. In Warsaw 212 priests died at the hands of the invaders[/B].

This kind of situation happend quite alot in Eastern Europe.

So as you see there were far more clergy standing up to the Nazis than supporting it.

Read up on people like this so you aren't so ignornant

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsignor_Hugh_O%27Flaherty

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Andr%C3%A9
Pietro Palazzini - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Borkowska_(Sister_Bertranda)
Alfred Delp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Pierre-Marie Gerlier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Elisabeth Hesselblad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jean-Baptiste Janssens - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I can go on and on with clergy who contradict your views.

Of the 9,700 Jews in Rome, 1,007 had been shipped to Auschwitz. The rest were hidden, 5,000 of them by the official Church - 3,000 in Castel Gandolfo, 200 or 400 (estimates vary) as "members" of the Palatine Guard and some 1,500 in monasteries, convents and colleges. The remaining 3,700 were hidden in private homes.

Your overall general knowledge is quite poor and anecdotal.

You seem happier to portray a small part of a picture rather than the larger one.

 

[jmsc]

THE POPE IS COMING??!!

Lock up your children, NOW!

 

[Notters]

Get him down to Lewes on November 5th

 

[Insel affe]

1/ " The English royal families relatives started a war"
2/ "Your own government has done the very same thing"

You have a real problem with Britain or England dont you ! Why ? and why come on an English message board if at every opportunity you have a dig !!

I think you will find Our & your royal family have started several wars over the years !! And so have countless other royal familes throughout the world so why just single us out again ?

Come on cut us some slack Tyrone, People like yourself are the reason why we as a nation are constantly looking back when we should be proud of our history and be more positive. As you say No country or Race is better than another and they have all committed atrocities of somekind at somepoint.

 

[The Spanish]

You have a real problem with Britain or England dont you ! Why ? and why come on an English message board if at every opportunity you have a dig !!

I think you will find Our & your royal family have started several wars over the years !! And so have countless other royal familes throughout the world so why just single us out again ?

Come on cut us some slack Tyrone, People like yourself are the reason why we as a nation are constantly looking back when we should be proud of our history and be more positive. As you say No country or Race is better than another and they have all committed atrocities of somekind at somepoint.

Typical colonial chip. The best thing about it is his pocket full of change he walks round with every day must really do his head in!

 

[Dandyman]

Get him down to Lewes on November 5th

BURN HIM

P.S. totally agree with Cunning Fergus

p.p.s. Anyone who wants to know about the Vatican and the Nazis should read this:

Amazon.com: Hitler's Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII (9780670886937): John Cornwell: Books

 

[Dandyman]

You're the brave one sitting at your computer pontificating and calling others cowards.

Like at 15-18 you would have stood up to the Nazi war machine if it was all around you.

You are awesome at sweeping statements.

But just to show you for the uninformed person you are.



This kind of situation happend quite alot in Eastern Europe.

So as you see there were far more clergy standing up to the Nazis than supporting it.

Read up on people like this so you aren't so ignornant

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsignor_Hugh_O%27Flaherty

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Andr%C3%A9
Pietro Palazzini - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Borkowska_(Sister_Bertranda)
Alfred Delp - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Pierre-Marie Gerlier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Elisabeth Hesselblad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jean-Baptiste Janssens - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I can go on and on with clergy who contradict your views.




Your overall general knowledge is quite poor and anecdotal.

You seem happier to portray a small part of a picture rather than the larger one.

Forgive me for being pedantic but the most victimised part of Polish society were 3 million Polish Jews. The Catholic Church helped the nazis to power in Germany by dissolving the Centre Party and supported fascism in Italy, Spain, Portugal, Croatia and eastern europe.

 

[User removed 4]

BURN HIM

P.S. totally agree with Cunning Fergus

p.p.s. Anyone who wants to know about the Vatican and the Nazis should read this:

Amazon.com: Hitler's Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII (9780670886937): John Cornwell: Books

efa

 

[Garry Nelson's Left Foot]

I have a genuine question for any Catholics on NSC. I went to Catholic school from the ages of 4-18, and went to church most sundays(or saturdays) up to the age of my confirmation at 14. None of that was through choice, admittedly, but still it's plenty of time to learn about Catholicism. Anyway, I read something the other day that somewhat surprised me and showed how little I paid attention/poorly taught I was. It was about the Eucharist. When the priest held up the wafer and wine and said that it's the body and blood of Christ, I always thought that it was a symbolic moment but apparently Catholics genuinely believe that it's become the body and blood of Christ. Is that right? Do all Catholics really believe that? Apparently it's one of the central tenets of catholic belief. I had no idea I was supposed to believe that it actually became Jesus's body and blood.

 

[bhaexpress]

I have a genuine question for any Catholics on NSC. I went to Catholic school from the ages of 4-18, and went to church most sundays(or saturdays) up to the age of my confirmation at 14. None of that was through choice, admittedly, but still it's plenty of time to learn about Catholicism. Anyway, I read something the other day that somewhat surprised me and showed how little I paid attention/poorly taught I was. It was about the Eucharist. When the priest held up the wafer and wine and said that it's the body and blood of Christ, I always thought that it was a symbolic moment but apparently Catholics genuinely believe that it's become the body and blood of Christ. Is that right? Do all Catholics really believe that? Apparently it's one of the central tenets of catholic belief. I had no idea I was supposed to believe that it actually became Jesus's body and blood.

As one relapsed Catholic to another no. I never believed it was the actual body of Christ and even the evil fuckwit, whores of Christ nuns who taught me at primary school never said as such.

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

THE POPE IS COMING??!!

Lock up your children, NOW!

Lock up your Jews more like! If he's doing a nationwide stadium tour I'm sure he'll get a rousing reception at White Hart Lane.

:mendoza:

 

[Dandyman]

Lock up your Jews more like! If he's doing a nationwide stadium tour I'm sure he'll get a rousing reception at White Hart Lane.

:mendoza:

Bosnich mark 2!