The police are effing bastards ... probably

[Acker79]

Police-Excuse me mr terrorist, would you mind terribly not moving?
Suicide Bomber-*sets off bomb*

Or even

Police-Excuse me mr terrorist, would you mind terribly not moving?
Suicide Bomber-*goes to set off bomb*
Police- *shoots warning shot, possibly in the arm*
Suicide Bomb- *uses last energy to set off bomb*


Not exactly how we want things to go, is it? The police can't exactly give a warning to the guy who wants to set off a bomb and blow himself and as many infidels up as he can, and for who the threat of death isn't exactly going to put him off.

They can't just shoot him once because all he has to do to accomplish his mission is push a switch.

If the police have a suicide bomber like this they have to catch them by surprise and they have to take them down and make sure they can't explode their bomb.


I am not saying the police didn't make a mistake. I am not saying what happened wasn't a travesty or that the police didn't go into damage control and send out misinformation in an attempt to protect their image.

I'm saying it's unfair to criticise their tactics. Criticise their info gathering, their identifying techniques, etc, but I can't see how else the police can take down a suicide bomber and ensure the safety of everyone else.

 

[¤DãŃn¥ §êãGüLL¤]

Howabout.... cerial rapist?

You ever got crunchy nut cornflakes stuck under your hood? It ain't pretty.

 

[brighton bluenose]

.

I'm saying it's unfair to criticise their tactics. Criticise their info gathering, their identifying techniques, etc, but I can't see how else the police can take down a suicide bomber and ensure the safety of everyone else.

Their tactics were wrong because they should have apprehended him in the street - if he WAS a suicide bomber the LAST THING they should have let him do was get into the station or onto the train!

It really is a simple as that!!

 

[Dandyman]

Police-Excuse me mr terrorist, would you mind terribly not moving?
Suicide Bomber-*sets off bomb*

Or even

Police-Excuse me mr terrorist, would you mind terribly not moving?
Suicide Bomber-*goes to set off bomb*
Police- *shoots warning shot, possibly in the arm*
Suicide Bomb- *uses last energy to set off bomb*


Not exactly how we want things to go, is it? The police can't exactly give a warning to the guy who wants to set off a bomb and blow himself and as many infidels up as he can, and for who the threat of death isn't exactly going to put him off.

They can't just shoot him once because all he has to do to accomplish his mission is push a switch.

If the police have a suicide bomber like this they have to catch them by surprise and they have to take them down and make sure they can't explode their bomb.


I am not saying the police didn't make a mistake. I am not saying what happened wasn't a travesty or that the police didn't go into damage control and send out misinformation in an attempt to protect their image.

I'm saying it's unfair to criticise their tactics. Criticise their info gathering, their identifying techniques, etc, but I can't see how else the police can take down a suicide bomber and ensure the safety of everyone else.

Might be an idea to stop the "suicide bomber" getting anywhere near the tube in the first place, then?

 

[Acker79]

Might be an idea to stop the "suicide bomber" getting anywhere near the tube in the first place, then?

Or better still, get to him before he gets the bomb on. But we don't live in a perfect and can't always get to them first.

But that all comes down to intelligence gathering and surveillance. Once the bomb is on the guy, there's only one safe way to stop him and protect the public.

 

[NMH]

Or better still, get to him before he gets the bomb on. But we don't live in a perfect and can't always get to them first.

But that all comes down to intelligence gathering and surveillance. Once the bomb is on the guy, there's only one safe way to stop him and protect the public.

I don't know if you are still trying to excuse the murdering ineptitude of London's finest - but basically ANYONE could get several bullets in their head and have the old bill excuse it with "we had to be sure he didn't detonate".
What that does, is the BEST job the terrorists who hate us, could EVER imagine!

Achmed Mohommed Tahar; "Look, hahaha, the London police are shooting random people to make sure they're not about to explode!"
Mahmoud Momoun; "what a bunch of fabulous f***ing GOONS, they are doing a great job for us, hahahaha - twats"
Both; "God is great"

 

[drew]

Oh I'm sure it's poor elsewhere too, but I'm not comparing.

It could just use some improvement here - and just like with politics we don't count our blessings it's not Zimbabwe and celebrate when we talk about ours.

Out of interest then, do you support a national DNA database?

 

[NMH]

Out of interest then, do you support a national DNA database?

Why not - it might help keep people honest. What reason not to, as long as that one-in-ten-million chance is taken into account?
It would help prevent the most heinous crime of an innocent person doing time for a guilty one.

 

[drew]

Why not - it might help keep people honest. What reason not to, as long as that one-in-ten-million chance is taken into account?
It would help prevent the most heinous crime of an innocent person doing time for a guilty one.

I agree with you. I only asked because quite often people who have a go at the Police in the manner you did normally then go on to bang on about human rights and that there should be no database and that the Police have to do an acceptable job with their hands tied behind their back and blindfolded!!!!

 

[Cheshire Cat]

This morning about 12.00 noon an unmarked police stopped with lights flashing behind a car on the southbound M23 between Crawley and Pease Pottage.

What f***ing bastard police officer is going to give someone a speeding ticket on Xmas morning? The road was half empty and I don't care how fast the driver was going, you don't give speeding tickets on Xmas morning. Get a life you ****.

Now it is of course possible that he stopped the driver, warned him he was driving too fast, told him to slow down in future, wished him Merry Xmas, and sent him on his way.

The problem with this scenario is:
a) it completely spoils my rant, and
b) it is probably outside the realm of possibility.

Merry Xmas to one and all.

We need a win tomorrow! Please!

What a complete load of drunken crap.

 

[NMH]

I agree with you. I only asked because quite often people who have a go at the Police in the manner you did normally then go on to bang on about human rights and that there should be no database and that the Police have to do an acceptable job with their hands tied behind their back and blindfolded!!!!

Yes, and crims getting arrested will start banging on about their rights, and show me a warrant etc.

Imagine the expenses saved on long court cases, juries, long-winded investigation, investigating and or imprisoning the wrong people (that's a big one, in my book), and having criminals get off of crimes through 'reasonable doubt' only to go and offend again - sometimes with a loss of life incurred.

We love to apply technology into other parts of our lives and our professions, but why not in keeping this world honest, saving lives and property?

 

[daveinprague]

Crawley police were busy over xmas period with the yoof...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIXJm2hAkmI


Have to say, life is simpler here with the police. You just pay the corrupt bastards...!

 

[looney]

Out of interest then, do you support a national DNA database?

Should be compulsory, same with paternity tests.

Imagine what would happen then?

 

[alan partridge]

1: Jean Charles D. was shot dead after running through a ticket barrier after failing to stop for Police on numerous occasions when told to do so. People can bring the language barrier into the frame, but the man spoke good English and would have clearly understood the term "POLICE". Now, if he was a terrorist, and did board a train and blown it up, people WOULD be saying "why didn't they shoot him?". Now you can argue that the repeated firing of rounds was unwarranted, but the carrying of a rucksack whilst running through a train station and onto a train whilst being chased by Police, when days earlier bombs were set off in London, leaves little wonder that the outcome was nothing short of expected. But of course the killing was unlawful because an innocent man was shot dead, it was always going to be.

tsk, all those boring facts getting in the way of reading about what actually happened

 

[drew]

1: Jean Charles D. was shot dead after running through a ticket barrier after failing to stop for Police on numerous occasions when told to do so. People can bring the language barrier into the frame, but the man spoke good English and would have clearly understood the term "POLICE". Now, if he was a terrorist, and did board a train and blown it up, people WOULD be saying "why didn't they shoot him?". Now you can argue that the repeated firing of rounds was unwarranted, but the carrying of a rucksack whilst running through a train station and onto a train whilst being chased by Police, when days earlier bombs were set off in London, leaves little wonder that the outcome was nothing short of expected. But of course the killing was unlawful because an innocent man was shot dead, it was always going to be.

Take it the actual evidence at the inquest etc went right over your head!!! Perhaps you should do a bit more research before posting drivel.