[News] The police.. and not the one with Sting in it

[Baldseagull]

Watched all the action or just ‘that’ clip……I imagine as you are a sensible chap you probably won’t take on the police …break a nose or try and take a firearm off them either

I am not sure what I would do if a gun was pointed at me or a family member.

 

[jcdenton08]

I am not sure what I would do if a gun was pointed at me or a family member.

Most people won’t in this country, thankfully. An innocent person acting in a rational way would have to be statistically speaking enormously unlucky for this to happen. Given the remarkably low number of police discharging firearms in our nation, you’re enormously more likely to die in the car on the way to the airport.

 

[LamieRobertson]

I am not sure what I would do if a gun was pointed at me or a family member.

use for clarity the police didnt draw any firearms but its been reported that at least one of the protagonists did try and grab a firearm from them

 

[Lenny Rider]

If the guy that allegedly broke an Officers nose had mental health issues, would that make the kicking coppers actions worse?

Undoubtedly, let me know if you find out if he has, then we have a starting point.

Although if he does have mental health issues shouldn’t his family be taking extra care of him, perhaps keep him away from situations like this?

 

[jcdenton08]

So much speculation. Give it a week or two and we’ll have the facts of the case give or take

 

[Krafty]

If your at the Airport, and a policeman tells you to get down, then you get down! If you fail to do so on the 2nd, 3rd, 4th time of being asked, then expect to be taken down by as much force as necessary.

That doesn't legitimise the actions taken by the police at Manchester Airport. Stamping and kicking at a person prone on the ground.

 

[The Fifth Column]

You really think that stamping on someone's head or kicking them in the head could be considered a reasonable use of force? There's no may or may not about it.

It absolutely could be reasonable if there was a threat to someone's life and the law is quite clear on that. I'm absolutely not saying that was the case here but I witnessed far more serious uses of force than that which were completely justified in a court of law.

I once had to deal with a guy trying to strangle his mother, he was on top of her at the bottom of a flight of stairs and he wouldn't let go or stop and she was losing consciousness. Long before the days of tasers, I pepper sprayed him to no effect and ended up hitting him with my Police baton at least 8 or 9 times across his naked torso, back and arms, I was running out.of options and was just about to smash him In the head with the baton to stop him killing her when thankfully he gave up. So yeah there totally could be many situations in which kicking someone to the head could be justified.

 

[Berty23]

It absolutely could be reasonable if there was a threat to someone's life and the law is quite clear on that. I'm absolutely not saying that was the case here but I witnessed far more serious uses of force than that which were completely justified in a court of law.

I once had to deal with a guy trying to strangle his mother, he was on top of her at the bottom of a flight of stairs and he wouldn't let go or stop and she was losing consciousness. Long before the days of tasers, I pepper sprayed him to no effect and ended up hitting him with my Police baton at least 8 or 9 times across his naked torso, back and arms, I was running out.of options and was just about to smash him In the head with the baton to stop him killing her when thankfully he gave up. So yeah there totally could be many situations in which kicking someone to the head could be justified.

Fair enough but could there possibly be one where a bloke is down and defenceless? You have explained something that is proportionate. That is what everyone is saying is okay isn’t it?

 

[Baldseagull]

Undoubtedly, let me know if you find out if he has, then we have a starting point.

Although if he does have mental health issues shouldn’t his family be taking extra care of him, perhaps keep him away from situations like this?

If my family member had mental health issues, I might take him on a holiday to get away from it for a while, probably go via an airport. If my relative was an armed officer, I might be even more inclined to suggest a holiday.

 

[Baldseagull]

use for clarity the police didnt draw any firearms but its been reported that at least one of the protagonists did try and grab a firearm from them

I understand, just find it a bit hard to believe anyone would do that if it wasn't already in play.

 

[pocketseagull]

use for clarity the police didnt draw any firearms but its been reported that at least one of the protagonists did try and grab a firearm from them

Where's it been reported the suspects/s tried to grab a gun?

 

[Thunder Bolt]

So much speculation. Give it a week or two and we’ll have the facts of the case give or take

Exactly. The statement from Paul Waugh, MP for Rochdale is quite balanced.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

Where's it been reported the suspects/s tried to grab a gun?

If you watch the video there is a point where the bloke in the blue does reach his hand out towards the hip of one of the officers

Who knows what he was thinking at that point and what he was doing, but it could be seen as reaching for the firearm.

 

[jcdenton08]

If you watch the video there is a point where the bloke in the blue does reach his hand out towards the hip of one of the officers

Who knows what he was thinking at the point and what he was doing, but it could be seen as reaching for the firearm.

I think we’re largely in agreement that 9 times of 10 that would get you shot in the US. And no, before anyone gets crazy and jumps on me, it doesn’t justify kicking a man in the head. Okay?

 

[The Fifth Column]

Fair enough but could there possibly be one where a bloke is down and defenceless? You have explained something that is proportionate. That is what everyone is saying is okay isn’t it?

Possibly yes. It looks like he's been tasered and that generally is what puts people flat out like that but the taser is only effective for a few seconds or as long as the person keeps pulling on the trigger to give another cycle of electricity but you can't do that indefinitely as you need to control and cuff the person and zapping someone repeatedly brings other obvious risks. I've seen people jump up as soon almost as soon as the taser stops and carry on as before, particularly if they are having a drug induced episode. I would say the officer is going to have to justify that he felt the suspect still posed enough of a threat,was not under control or restrained and that the kicks to the head were therefore proportionate in order to get him controlled and restrained. It's hard to say what else is going on around the officers which could well be a factor in that but to my experienced and trained eyes, on the face of just what is shown I would say the officer could well struggle to put enough elements of risk and threat together to justify kicking the guy twice in the face/head.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

I think we’re largely in agreement that 9 times of 10 that would get you shot in the US. And no, before anyone gets crazy and jumps on me, it doesn’t justify kicking a man in the head. Okay?

Chances are you reach for a gun in the US you are getting shot, I'd like to think we are better than that, but in the heat of the moment who knows how people will react.

From what we've seen so far, The kick is completely unjustified, it's interesting Andy Burnham suggests there is more to it, I guess we will see.

 

[Nicks]

Just a couple of days ago you were quick to agree that the soldier stabbing was '100% Terrorism related' with zero evidence.

I think you will find that the man in question isn't "A Local" as reported.
But that will come out later in court and I also said "It had the Hallmarks of the murder of Lee Rigby "
So don't quote me on something I never said

 

[Nicks]

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[pocketseagull]

So don't quote me on something I never said

I didn't quote you, I said you agreed.

 

[WATFORD zero]

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Why don't people do the simplest of checks before posting complete and utter Bollox

Completely different story from over 3 years ago

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/boy-16-who-left-officers-23310031