[News] The police.. and not the one with Sting in it

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

yes , but should there be no go ghettos in many cities across the country ...? is this part of a free society.

There are no no-go ghettos in the UK. That's throwback bollocks from the 1970s.

 

[jcdenton08]

Sorry but you cannot condone the police in this instance and ANOTHER racist attack from them too.

Evidence of this? I had similar posts removed for “libel” @Bozza

 

[jcdenton08]

Can cysts form from a trauma injury that quickly ?, genuine question, I thought they developed over a period of time.

This will be an issue for medical experts when he files civil suit. Either way it looks probable both the parties are going to prison.

 

[jcdenton08]

I believe he was an armed officer too which is an added concern that someone with so little self control is in charge of a firearm.

The police officer was clearly out of order, has been suspended and will probably face criminal charges and be named in a civil suit.

Just in terms of being an armed officer, if he lost control THAT completely we’d be talking about a shooting incident which thankfully we’re not. I watch a lot of true crime junk on YouTube and in America he very likely likely would’ve been shot dead. They take fighting with the police - and airports - very very seriously.

 

[jcdenton08]

Why are they armed? Is it really necessary in the UK?

To prevent mass terrorism events which could kill thousands of people. If a jihadist carrying an assault rifle with a bomb strapped to him walks into Gatwick Airport and starts shooting everyone in sight, what should the police do, reach for their batons?

 

[Lenny Rider]

Hmm ..so where’s the proof that it’s a racism attack ..seems some are making it that way to suit there own views

Not condoning the assault on the guy on the ground ..but how about some emphasis on the police officers attacked one of which has a broken nose ..one small clip from an incident that involved members of the public causing well it’s an understatement to say an affray …and yet the headline writers can’t be arsed to say much about that or the masked protest outside Rochdale police station last night with the usual inflammatory chants ..still that’s Rochdale and we know who they voted in as an MP in a recent by election

This…….


Funnily enough we are only seeing part of the footage, the narrative they want us to see, violence is violence but in mitigation the Police officer had witnessed his female colleague having her nose broken, and whilst this behaviour can’t be condoned in a high pressure situation people fight fire with fire.


A worrying road to move down, sections of society want to behave in an uncivilised manner including attacking and injuring Police officers but when they get a bit back they scream like stuck pigs, waving the race card.

Obviously the said copper will now be hung, drawn and quartered by the establishment but has the suspect who broke the Policewoman’s nose been charged as well?

NSC is a broadchurch and the shock and indignation is clear for all to see, but every action has a reaction, if the suspect had done as he was told and previously not attacked and broken the Policewoman’s nose, none of this would have happened.


I wonder if you had a nationwide secret ballot on this incident how much support the Policeman would actually get given all the circumstances?

 

[Springal]

Police officers injured and five arrested at Tommy Robinson protest

Police officers were injured and five people were arrested as scuffles broke at a 'free Tommy Robinson' protest in central London.

www.standard.co.uk

Would have been interesting to see the reaction from Yaxley-Lennon if the police had of kicked some of his lot in the head while on the ground after they injured police.

Personally think those involved acted poorly, deserved what they got - except kicking someone in the head after they’ve been tasered and lying face down on the floor shows an incredible lack of self control and he should probably be sacked.

 

[vegster]

If your at the Airport, and a policeman tells you to get down, then you get down! If you fail to do so on the 2nd, 3rd, 4th time of being asked, then expect to be taken down by as much force as necessary.

The police are here to protect and serve the general public. If they suspect even the slightest chance of a serious situation occurring, then I want a strong response… specially at an airport.

Closer to home. Last week, a bloke on a moped with “L plates“ decided it was acceptable to weave in and out of traffic at a junction.
He very nearly took out a chap with his dog and would have probably of killed or seriously injured them.


Why the f**k are we putting up with this sort of behaviour from the public… and why are the police so weak?

I’ll tell you why. It’s because every-time some incident occurs and the police attend, they have cameras thrust in their faces.

Every move is scrutinised, monitored and analysed…. by the “know all” public, media and the top brass in the police organisation who appear to be more concerned about career progress / stats then affirming some hard line policing.

Personally, I think phones/video evidence should be confiscated at the time or it to be a crime to release footage before informing the police… until ALL the facts are known.

Without a strong police and justice system we’re all be screwed, and I think people should remember this.

Everyone wants a strong police force with powers to control and contain any incident... until suddenly they are on the wrong end of a baton ,pepper spray or a Taser.

 

[Nicks]

Racism played part in police kick incident at Manchester airport, says former senior officer

Former Met chief superintendent Dal Babu says footage of man being kicked in face by officer is ‘totally appalling’

www.theguardian.com

He actually says "I think racism played a part "
So he has no proof and certainly wasn't there was he.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

This…….


Funnily enough we are only seeing part of the footage, the narrative they want us to see, violence is violence but in mitigation the Police officer had witnessed his female colleague having her nose broken, and whilst this behaviour can’t be condoned in a high pressure situation people fight fire with fire.


A worrying road to move down, sections of society want to behave in an uncivilised manner including attacking and injuring Police officers but when they get a bit back they scream like stuck pigs, waving the race card.

Obviously the said copper will now be hung, drawn and quartered by the establishment but has the suspect who broke the Policewoman’s nose been charged as well?

NSC is a broadchurch and the shock and indignation is clear for all to see, but every action has a reaction, if the suspect had done as he was told and previously not attacked and broken the Policewoman’s nose, none of this would have happened.


I wonder if you had a nationwide secret ballot on this incident how much support the Policeman would actually get given all the circumstances?

Who's they?

 

[jcdenton08]

Who's they?

Presumably whoever uploaded the footage. Selective editing is extremely common in creating a narrative; a person trying to create a sympathetic narrative is going to limit a 5 minute video down to 10 seconds, if it shows the belligerents in the most negative possible light.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Police officers injured and five arrested at Tommy Robinson protest

Police officers were injured and five people were arrested as scuffles broke at a 'free Tommy Robinson' protest in central London.

www.standard.co.uk

Would have been interesting to see the reaction from Yaxley-Lennon if the police had of kicked some of his lot in the head while on the ground after they injured police.

Personally think those involved acted poorly, deserved what they got - except kicking someone in the head after they’ve been tasered and lying face down on the floor shows an incredible lack of self control and he should probably be sacked.

Do we have any info yet on what happened in the lead up? We know some of the outcomes (broken nose etc.) but all I know about the narrative is it was 'very complex'. Everyone who gets to see the other bits of footage from different cameras etc., including the Manchester mayor, sounds a bit baffled.

Anyway, as the sensible posters (i.e., most people) on here have said, repeatedly, whatever went before does not justify the disgusting assault.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Presumably whoever uploaded the footage. Selective editing is extremely common in creating a narrative; a person trying to create a sympathetic narrative is going to limit a 5 minute video down to 10 seconds, if it shows the belligerents in the most negative possible light.

I see. Fair enough @Lenny Rider

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

He actually says "I think racism played a part "
So he has no proof and certainly wasn't there was he.

Maybe he meant perhaps racism played a part in his assessment......

 

[jcdenton08]

Do we have any info yet on what happened in the lead up? We know some of the outcomes (broken nose etc.) but all I know about the narrative is it was 'very complex'. Everyone who gets to see the other bits of footage from different cameras etc., including the Manchester mayor, sounds a bit baffled.

Anyway, as the sensible posters (i.e., most people) on here have said, repeatedly, whatever went before does not justify the disgusting assault.

Absolutely all of this.

 

[The Fifth Column]

I suggest you watch the 'clip' again then. The guy is on the ground, face down and the only person near him at that point looks like an female kneeling down. There is no officer within arms reach let alone close enough to grab a weapon. We know that 3 female officers were attacked prior to this and at that point you would expect other officers to use proportionate force to get the situation under control. Stamping on someone's head is not proportionate.

The Police have a very tough job to do and that is why those that do it need to be in control of themselves at all times. Take away the kick and the stamp, then public opinion would almost certainly be against the man on the floor and what he is alleged to have done to the female officers. The actions of this one officer now overshadow that and it seems have now been a catalyst for potential unrest in the area.

I don't need to watch it again, if you read my post I'm making the point it may or may not be a reasonable and justifiable use of force in the circumstances, it's not for me or you to decide on that based solely on a video clip except you clearly already have despite not being in possession of all the facts and evidence, conducting your own trial by social media. At no point am I defending the officer I'm simply making a valid point about whether the use of force could be seen as lawful. On that clip alone I think he's going to struggle to make a case for it to be seen as reasonable however are there any other factors we don't know about? The guy on the floor has already been involved in attacking and hospitalising 3 other cops, does he represent enough of an ongoing threat even when face down on the ground to warrant a couple of kicks to the head? I'd be surprised if that was the case but again that's not for me to decide.

 

[Lenny Rider]

Do we have any info yet on what happened in the lead up? We know some of the outcomes (broken nose etc.) but all I know about the narrative is it was 'very complex'. Everyone who gets to see the other bits of footage from different cameras etc., including the Manchester mayor, sounds a bit baffled.

Anyway, as the sensible posters (i.e., most people) on here have said, repeatedly, whatever went before does not justify the disgusting assault.

Again old boy please don’t twist peoples words, no one can condone what the Policeman did, however there has to be some form of mitigation in the fact the Policemen were attacked first and one of them had a broken nose which probably indicates the level of the attack.

The bottom line is if the said members of the public hadn’t attacked the Police this incident and the media shit storm that followed, including this thread, simply wouldn’t exist.

Has anyone considered the state of the said Policeman’s mental health, did he snap, as many people have done?

That obviously doesn’t make it right, and it clearly shouldn’t have happened but this whole scenario is loaded towards one narrative at the moment.

 

[Berty23]

Again old boy please don’t twist peoples words, no one can condone what the Policeman did, however there has to be some form of mitigation in the fact the Policemen were attacked first and one of them had a broken nose which probably indicates the level of the attack.

The bottom line is if the said members of the public hadn’t attacked the Police this incident and the media shit storm that followed, including this thread, simply wouldn’t exist.

Has anyone considered the state of the said Policeman’s mental health, did he snap, as many people have done?

That obviously doesn’t make it right, and it clearly shouldn’t have happened but this whole scenario is loaded towards one narrative at the moment.

This is an excellent way of trying to justify his actions without actually doing so. They are trained to deal with incidents. Do you think they are training to give kicks to the head once people are down on the ground? Police know what they sign up for. I couldn’t do it. It is all about being proportionate. Revenge beatings have no place.

 

[Napper]

They deserved it. Now playing the victims but this is a fair consequence of breaking a police officers nose and going for guns at an airport . DO NOT DO IT

The fall out from it is just an excuse for the campaigns to start up IMO

Things will soon move on

 

[drew]

I don't need to watch it again, if you read my post I'm making the point it may or may not be a reasonable and justifiable use of force in the circumstances, it's not for me or you to decide on that based solely on a video clip except you clearly already have despite not being in possession of all the facts and evidence, conducting your own trial by social media. At no point am I defending the officer I'm simply making a valid point about whether the use of force could be seen as lawful. On that clip alone I think he's going to struggle to make a case for it to be seen as reasonable however are there any other factors we don't know about? The guy on the floor has already been involved in attacking and hospitalising 3 other cops, does he represent enough of an ongoing threat even when face down on the ground to warrant a couple of kicks to the head? I'd be surprised if that was the case but again that's not for me to decide.

You really think that stamping on someone's head or kicking them in the head could be considered a reasonable use of force? There's no may or may not about it.