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The phoney war is over....now for the real thing



Although the results have tailed off a bit, the pre-season campaign I think have gone as well as can be expected for McGhee, I reckon he'll be pleased.

He has unearthed two excellent players in Molango and Jarrett who will be significant part of our first team this year, we have probably got another in Currie who may, or may not, be better than what we've already got, but it's up to him now to take this opportunity.

It's obviously not been an unqualified success, we don't have our targetman, losing Iwelumo and Kerekes not paying off is a blow. We also crucially lack one more playmaker in central midfield.

McGhee in his Argus assessments has been brutally honest about these two major squad shortcomings. He will eventually plug those gaps but it may be quite a few weeks, and we may have to resort to the unpredictability of loan availables to do this, who knows. Until then, McGhee is going to have sweat on formations and gameplans that can mask our deficiencies in these areas. As McGhee is someone who has been constantly firefighting squad shortcomings since his arrival and coming out on top, I am by no means downhearted.

But I think we have to be realistic, that our start in the Championship could be very difficult and it may take a few lost games for McGhee to eventually get the right alchemy.

What is clear from Reid starting at rightback tonight is that we have mini fitness crisis in midfield. Neither Rodger or Chippy have made it and their natural replacement Reid looks a half-fit player.

It will be a big gamble to play Reid alongside Oatway on Saturday. Will we really compete in the tackle and for the first ball in this crucial area - it's a major worry.

The alternative of Nicolas, well, the buzz about him is different to Currie, isn't it? Currie is a free agent and if his wage demands are modest, he represents less of a risk if we do take him on. Nicolas is a contracted Chelsea player and the finances of any deal for him could give us cause for long contemplation. The reality is, he has not set the pre-seasons alight and McGhee will be asking himself why he should risk either a very finite playing/transfer budget or even one of his available loans on him.

The back four and a fit Kuipers pick themselves, as long as the midfield headache doesn't require either one of Virgo and Harding to play forward. I think Hinshelwood has been one of the real successes of the pre-seasons and he could even be a good bet in midfield.

The news of what McGhee will finally do here in the next few days will have a huge bearing on our start to the season.

The problem of the wide players is a happy one, we have 3 in-form players going for 2 spots. Naylor thinks Jonah is likely to start on the left, while confusingly adding that Currie and Jarrett will compete for the right flank spot. But Jarrett seems to have played almost exclusively on the left so I can't see how that one will work out. Last year's two right-flank options OGH and Piercy have had undistinguished pre-seasons. I wonder if we will go for the old heads of Jonah and Currie and save our new wonder boy Jarrett for a more attacking Withdean gameplan for Plymouth and Coventry.

Maheta and who else up front? Seems to be narrowing down to OGH and Lee, the former the tried-and-tested warhorse, the latter who has had a good pre-season and whose touch and shooting ability could make him a good surprise choice up front.

No doubt if he is picked NSC will go into meltdown and the more important discussion about our central midfield selection will be ignored :rolleyes:

I'm looking for us to grind Reading down as efficiently as we did Bristol at Ashton Gate and then go for something a little more offensively minded against Plymouth and Coventry.

Without our best striker and best midfielder, even a return of 3 points from our first 3 games would be a decent return. Two would be acceptable. I hope we at least deny Plymouth 3 points in our first relegation six-pointer. More than 3pts and McGhee deserves to be in line for the first manager of the month award.
 




Yorkie

Sussex born and bred
Jul 5, 2003
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I think you can look at those who played at Lewes tonight and say they won't be in the team on Saturday which would rule Jarrett out, although he did come off part the way through the game so could be on the bench.

Reid isn't match fit yet after recovering from his injury.

I personally think OGH will be upfront with Molango.
 




Who will partner Oatway then if not Reid? :eek:
 


Yorkie

Sussex born and bred
Jul 5, 2003
32,367
dahn sarf
London Irish said:
Who will partner Oatway then if not Reid? :eek:

possibly Hinshelwood?
 






Yorkie

Sussex born and bred
Jul 5, 2003
32,367
dahn sarf
smudge said:
Nicolas would be my choice!

Wouldnt we have to get clearance from Chelsea first?
 


Stumpy Tim

Well-known member
Though Hart won't get more than 10 goals a season playing up-front, he does hold the ball up well - far better than Iwelumo could - just look at the difference he made when he came on at Withdean against Swindon. In fact, it's going to be too dangerous defending for 90 minutes - we need some time on the ball to take the pressure off our defence.

Midfield is a huge worry against Reading. Oatway will have to play, but I wouldn't be surprised if MM plumped for Virgo alongside him. On that, I don't think Virgo is a certainty for the right-back slot anyway. Against Reading I think we are going to man-mark Sidwell & Harper in the middle of midfield, and attack down the wings. Virgo's extra height makes him favourite to mark Sidwell if MM thinks Virgs is up to the job in midfield. The fact is we cannot afford to play Reid in the middle if he's not 100% fit.

I think MM may well go for:

Kuipers,
Hinshelwood, Cullip, Butters, Harding
Jarrett, Virgo, Oatway, Jonah
Hart, Molango

Subs:
May
Robinson
Lee
El-Abd
Piercy

That's unless we sign Nicholas or Currie. Personally I hope we sign Nicholas, and not Currie. Currie may be playing well now to get a contract but IMO will tail off once the pressure is off. Nicholas is one for the future and that's the way the club should be looking - ala Crewe
 




Whether it's Hinshelwood or Virgo, both plausible scenarios I agree, the worry there is just how little those 2 players practised this role in the pre-seasons.

I think Virgo played a spell in central midfield in the Crawley game, where to me he lacked any urgency, and maybe, positional sense.

Hinshelwood played a half on the right midfield against Southend, but was excellent as replacement rightback against Cambridge.

Perhaps those who saw the other pre-season games could fill in the blanks as if these guys got game time in central midfield.

McGhee looked to be loading all his eggs in the Reid or Nicolas baskets in the pre-seasons.
 


Marshy

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Jul 6, 2003
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FRUIT OF THE BLOOM
U cant fit round pegs in square holes the saying goes.

Reid will partner Oatway in the middle of the park providing Nicholas hasnt signed.
You can always change it after an hour if hes shagged.


I wouldnt be suprised to see 5 in mdfield, or wings backs which ever way you look at it, over run the midfield as it were, that would give anybody not quite 100% a better chance of lasting the game.
 


perseus

Broad Blue & White stripe
Jul 5, 2003
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Without that central midfield position getting filled, it is a miracle how we won promotion really, how we could keep hold of the ball long enough when we got a lead.

If we cannot buy anybody or sign anybody, the only choice is to convert someone within the current ranks.

The only player I could see who could do the job would be Danny Cullip. Nobody else is good enough.

Adam Virgo might manage it for the occasional match playing almost as an extra centre-half in front of the back four, which was tried for one match last season.

I would given Kerry Mayo a run out in midfield in a pre-season friendly but I do not think he could hack a midfield position in Division One (Championship) as he could barely hack it at full back.
 




Uncle Buck

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Jul 7, 2003
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perseus said:
Without that central midfield position getting filled, it is a miracle how we won promotion really, how we could keep hold of the ball long enough when we got a lead.

If we cannot buy anybody or sign anybody, the only choice is to convert someone within the current ranks.

The only player I could see who could do the job would be Danny Cullip. Nobody else is good enough.

Adam Virgo might manage it for the occasional match playing almost as an extra centre-half in front of the back four, which was tried for one match last season.

I would given Kerry Mayo a run out in midfield in a pre-season friendly but I do not think he could hack a midfield position in Division One (Championship) as he could barely hack it at full back.

I sort of understand what you are saying about trying a defender in midfield, but with the number of defenders we have, would we not be better served playing a 5 man defence, like Coppell did last time we were in this league?
 


Set of Tracksuits

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Oct 27, 2003
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Leicester
i wouldn't risk taking cullip out of the back four to be honest. i know what you're saying about him being the best-suited centre-half we have, but i remember what happened when he didn't play up at blackpool (arrghhh) and the defence just doesn't look as solid without him.
 


Biscuit

Native Creative
Jul 8, 2003
22,325
Brighton
Uncle Buck said:
I sort of understand what you are saying about trying a defender in midfield, but with the number of defenders we have, would we not be better served playing a 5 man defence, like Coppell did last time we were in this league?

I'm with you on this one. Coppell proved that we need a five man defence at this level.

Kuipers,
Hinshelwood, Virgo, Cullip, Butters, Harding
Jarrett, Oatway, Jonah
Lee, Molango

That is my guess for Reading. We need the strength of two upfront (we couldn't manage with just one), okay we lack in midfield but we would anyway...I'd much rather we dropped a midfield position into defence. A five man back line, maybe as Virgo in a sweepers role? Then you'd be looking at:

Kuipers,
___________Virgo_____________
Hinshelwood, Cullip, Butters, Harding
Jarrett, Oatway, Jonah
Lee, Molango

Not going to happen, but I'd like to see it.
 




perseus

Broad Blue & White stripe
Jul 5, 2003
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I would tend to put the spare man in front of the back four.


However, what we really need is an "anchor man" in midfield, somebody the defence can pass the ball to and he can hang on to the ball long enough to select the correct (not the obvious which will be intercepted) pass. Hopefully he can pass. Hopefully he would be tall enough to help challenge for long goalkpper punts as well. And he helped with a few goals.

I do not go for the five men wing-back defence tactical system. (The wing backs do not cover enough of the pitch.), but I can accept the "attacking centre half" like Ray Kennedy of Liverpool in the old days, where the spare man in defence can move forward into midfield. Still means just one up front though.
 




Lush

Mods' Pet
Biscuit said:
A five man back line, maybe as Virgo in a sweepers role?

Not going to happen, but I'd like to see it.

Oooh I like this idea. After all it's not as if can't play a decent ball, put in a decent cross and doesn't know where the goal is.

We could then have Jonah, Oatway, Reid and Jarret in midfield with Molango as the lone striker, with all other players told to shoot on sight!
 






Blackadder

Brighton Bhuna Boy
Jul 6, 2003
16,122
Haywards Heath
Biscuit said:
I'm with you on this one. Coppell proved that we need a five man defence at this level.

Kuipers,
Hinshelwood, Virgo, Cullip, Butters, Harding
Jarrett, Oatway, Jonah
Lee, Molango

That is my guess for Reading. We need the strength of two upfront (we couldn't manage with just one), okay we lack in midfield but we would anyway...I'd much rather we dropped a midfield position into defence. A five man back line, maybe as Virgo in a sweepers role? Then you'd be looking at:

Kuipers,
___________Virgo_____________
Hinshelwood, Cullip, Butters, Harding
Jarrett, Oatway, Jonah
Lee, Molango

Not going to happen, but I'd like to see it.


This is a good thread.

I quite like Biscuit's idea but with one exception. I'd play Hart instead of Lee. Would possibly drop Hart back a little and have Molango as a sole, out-and-out striker. A little negative I know but needs must!!
 


It's a nice idea from Biscuit, but the flat back 4 has worked well for us, the players are comfortable and practised with it, and to change this with the rest of the team looking less practised will be foolish IMHO.

We will not play 3 in midfield because the object of the exercise will be to crowd Sidwell and Harper.

In the Argus today McGhee appears satisfied with Reid's fitness, so he will start. It's a risk, let's hope he keeps up with Charlie in getting right in the Reading players' faces.

I like the idea of a 4-4-1-1 with Lee's passing vision being the link between Reid and Molango.
 


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