Does anyone appreciate people having a pop at their integrity? Do you?
You seem to have ignored the preceding caveat i.e. within the laws of the land.
I know about the clubs t&cs and other documents. But they have one massive caveat thrown over them….anything that brings the club into disrepute/damages the reputation of the club. That’s well outside the law, that’s such a broad net in which to be caught as it’s a matter of opinion.
My interpretation of the club’s approach to T&C’s is:
The club is entitled to protect its brand and those associated with the brand. That’s pretty much standard business practice isn’t it? I agree what constitutes bringing the club into disrepute, I amusingly recall the actual language is besmirch, is a matter of opinion but all the cases I have heard of have been fair in their assessment. Can you give an example where this isnt? Otherwise this is a somewhat pointless and theoretical discussion.
It’s not remotely outside the law. Reputational risk is a key element of most business’ risk assessment- along with whatever measures deemed necessary to manage that risk - so the club have added (and strengthened with the scale of sanctions) the ‘besmirching’ part of their policy which allows them to do more or less what they want to maintain their reputation - and safety and comfort of others - providing they don’t cross any laws (discrimination for example). You accept that entirely when you buy a ticket. Banning people for behaviour the club deems unacceptable is completely within their remit.
I genuinely don't understand why this has to be repeatedly explained to people.
And that’s why a regulator is needed.
A regulator isn't going to come to the rescue of fans acting like pillocks.
Integrity is sticking to your principles. But that also means sticking to your values, I don’t publish mine.I’ll admit when I’m wrong though.
A regulator wont be micro managing clubs like that. But it should be ensuring fans have the ability to be involved in major decisions about club ownership and broad policy. That's why the PL and it's clubs are trying hard to delay it's introduction and using the figleaf of a toothless FAB to say the regulator isn't needed. I have no complaints about our club but regulation is necessary for the future of our beautiful game in the wider world and no club should be fighting against it.
No. But it will help define what being a pillock is. There have been references from others that the club operates a kangaroo court when it comes to sanctions. That’s not great for fans, or the club. The EFL operate a standard set of sanctions, so fans can have transparency.
Yes, I find it deeply concerning that the PL and at least some clubs are fighting against the appointment of a regulator. The resistance to what looks like a fair and sensible policy, seems to be a very clear admission that there are major faults with football administration.
Completely agree. A regulator wont micro manage but having PB telling the BHAFC FAB that he doesn’t think they’re needed isn’t great to hear. It’s in the October minutes on the club
We know.
I’d bet Tony Bloom doesn’t either. Having personally invested a small fortune and having instilled his own board of business associates and friends I’m not sure he’s enamoured with some of the regulator suggestions either
A regulator typically (dependent on remit) will look how clubs have incorporated shared values / standards (agreed from the outset by governing body and regulator) they will have pillars if you like to ensure standards are met, such as consistency, fairness, transparency and communication.
It won't. The remit of the regulator is actually very narrow. That doesn't stop the Premier League from trying to narrow it even further though, which IMO is counterproductive. The legislation is due to go to Parliament and could potentially be passed by June. However, we could have a new government by then, who are less willing to listen to the Premier League's pet lobbyists who are from the right of the politicial spectrum.
History suggests this is the point where the conversation becomes a lot less specific.
I’m going to make an educated guess, based on the evidence thus far, that whatever you or your friend got banned most, if not all, will consider twattish and deserved of a ban.
